LULU: Three, two, one.

PENDO:  Imagine

[drone in]

CEDRIC: you are a shadow creature. 

SFX

LULU: You sprout dark, greasy hairs all over your body.

[music]

PENDO: Your nose stretches out in front of you

CEDRIC: into a snout with whiskers.

LULU: And you can smell everything around. 

Sniff sniff

CEDRIC: Food, your friends

PENDO: danger. 

LULU As you crawl through trash in the dark of night.

CEDRIC: People scream at the sight of you

AHHH

LULU: but in truth, 

CEDRIC: you're an underrrover hero.

LULU: You have become

PENDO: a rat. 

[CHORAL AHHH]

Squeak

MUSIC ENDS

LULU Okay, now is the part where I make you sing the theme song with me. 

CEDRIC: alright i’ll try.

LULU: Terrestrials, terrestrials, we are not the worst, we're the 

CEDRIC: Uh, best-rials?

MUSIC BESTRIALS

LULU: you got it.

CEDRIC: ha ha

LULU: This is Terrestrials, I am your host LuLu Miller, joined, as always, by my songbud, 

ALAN: Check this out Lulu 

LULU: GASP OF TERROR. Alan!

ALAN: laughing

LULU: those are live rats crawling [alan: woo]! all over your shoulders – 

ALAN: Trying to go down my shirt a little bit. They kind of tickle.

LULU:  Ughhh And then there's one in your hand.

ALAN: Yup, in total there are NINE rats in this studio right now.

LULU: Do you feel afraid right now? 

[rat sounds]

ALAN: Um, yeah, I mean, look at this tail. 

LULU:  yeah, it’s so wormy, why do they have to be naked, why can't it just have a dignified furry tail like a dog?

ALAN: Oh, that one's going in my mouth.

LULU: NO! Ok see that, the rat in the mouth, really makes me think about what germs they have. 

ALAN: That's fair. Honestly, your reaction is pretty similar to most people here in New York City. 

Rat hotline:  BEEP  The most vile thing I've ever experienced in my life

ALAN:. I set up a rat hotline recently. Are you serious? Put a few flyers around town on telephone poles with an invitation for people to call in and tell us about your rat stories.

Rat hotline: BEEP A rat scampered across the sidewalk and it landed directly under my foot and it screamed and went sqeeeeeea!

ALAN: And, uh, they pretty much just say what people have said throughout history. 

Rat hotline: I hate rats. 

ALAN: Rats have been called evil. 

Rat hotline: Terrible. 

ALAN: Wicked. 

Rat hotline: Terrifying. 

ALAN: And in medieval Europe, they were simply known as the lowliest and most abominable of all creatures. 

Rat hotline: Gnarly. Gnarly stuff. 

LULU: I don't entirely disagree with these descriptions. 

ALAN: And I'm gonna be honest, people do have good reason to be a little fearful of this little guy. 

SQUEAKS

ALAN:  I mean, they’ve chewed through walls and stolen and contaminated our food.

LULU: EW

ALAN: They're responsible for tons of outbreaks of disease and countless deaths throughout history. 

LULU: See? Sad! bad!

ALAN: Oh! I just got pooped on. 

LULU: ugh

ALAN: laughing

LULU: Alan see you’re proving my point! 

ALAN: Well, Lulu, I too was grossed out by rats until I heard the story of a rat named Magawa. 

LULU: Magawa? 

ALAN: Yeah, and this one rat is responsible for saving whole communities of people from lives of total terror.

[MUSIC SWELL]

LULUl Really? 

ALAN: Yeah And uh, if you're willing to sit with these rats just a little bit longer. [ rat squeak] You’ll learn how. 

LULU: All right, that's pretty wild. I will, I'll take the bait. The rat bait, you get it? 

ALAN: laughing, Okay, so our story begins across the world from here in the African country of Tanzania. 

PENDO: Good morning to you. 

ALAN: Good morning, Pendo. 

ALAN: This is Pendo Msegu. On any given morning, you might find Pendo doing something that she loves. 

[metal sounds of cage]

ALAN: Reaching her hand into a little cage and gently Picking up a rat.

PENDO: I am a rodent trainer. 

ALAN: That's right, not a dog trainer, not a horse trainer, but a trainer of rodents. 

PENDO: Once you understand how to handle them, they are very friendly. 

ALAN: How long have you been doing this? 

PENDO: It's almost 11 years now. 

ALAN: Oh wow. 

PENDO:  Yes. 

ALAN: That’s when pendo met the star of today's show, Magawa. A little critter from a species of rat called the southern giant pouched rat - known for their oversized cheeks. He came into the world about 11 years ago on a warm November day. He was tiny with little pink paws and eyes so new he couldn't even open them yet. But once he did one of the first things he saw was Pendo. 

PENDO: I met Magawa when he was a baby. 

ALAN: From those very early days, she was picking him up, petting him. 

PENDO: I was visiting, trying to do nursing. 

ALAN: Making sure Magawa got enough milk.

PENDO: He, he was like my son. 

ALAN: And like any mother son duo, they would give each other kisses. 

PENDO: And when the rat is licking, it's showing a sign of kissing. 

ALAN: Oh, he'd come and lick your face? 

PENDO: Yes! 

ALAN: laughing

ALAN: And the reason she was doing all this was to form a bond, so that Magawa would trust her enough that she could one day train him to do one very special trick. And as he grew up from a tiny ball with pink paws to a furry gray rat the size of a loaf of bread, Pendo saw that -

PENDO: He was very smart and hard working. 

ALAN: They would spend hours playing a version of hide and go seek that's actually a little more like hide and go sniff. And Magawa would never give up. 

PENDO: You can see, uh huh, this rat can be super. 

ALAN:  But how do you turn a normal rat into a SUPER RAT???

PENDO: We need to pull up the socks to train the rats. 

ALAN: Pull up your socks and train the rats? 

PENDO: Yes! 

ALAN: Pendo's idea for Magawa was truly wild. She wanted to train him, this lowly rat, to go out on a battlefield of sorts and 

PENDO: Save people's lives.

ALAN:  To explain how, we're gonna have to take a brief detour away from Pendo and Magawa down into one of the greatest rat kingdoms there is. The leaky, drippy, dark underworld of tunnels and pipes beneath New York City.

CEDRIC: I mean as big as I am I will jump back if I do see a rat. 

ALAN: I'm here in a secret elevator riding 20 stories below the city with a guy named Cedric who fights rats for a living. Literally, his job is to eliminate them, if you know what I mean. And he explains that in fighting rats, he's actually come to admire their wild superpowers. He's taking me way down into this eerie place to try to catch a glimpse of their secrets up close

[Door open]

ALAN: Cedric flings open the heavy elevator door and with our gloves and our safety helmets we step out into the still darkness. [to CEDRIC] I'm not scared of the dark. [back to audience] I lied. I was a little nervous. It's a narrow steps. Cedric waves his flashlight over the darkness like a wand.

CEDRIC: You'll see gnaw marks 

ALAN: He points out tiny holes chewed through concrete. That's how incredible those teeth are. Although that's not the only way they sneak into homes. 

CEDRIC: Rats, they can swim right through a water pipe, right u p into someone's toilet in their home. So they're very smart.

ALAN: That's terrifying.

CEDRIC: It's very terrifying. 

ALAN: Suddenly, Cedric glimpses a dark flash, a shadowy figure darting across the concrete wall. 

ALAN: You say you think you saw one? 

CEDRIC: I thought I saw one. 

ALAN: I missed it. But Cedric said that that's kind of common. They can be so quiet when they crawl, in part thanks to those naked little tails that lulu hates so much, which help them silently balance as they climb above our heads.

CEDRIC: You'll see them run through here. Yeah.

ALAN:  But Cedric says their real superpower is hidden inside their pointy little nose. That schnoz is stuffed full of more genetic material dedicated to smell than almost any other mammal. And this allows them to sniff out our food from far away and smell all kinds of things we could never smell.

These little stinkers even use scent to communicate, leaving each other stinky little chemical secret notes. Like little odorous arrows that say, here's danger, here's the safe path. 

CEDRIC: As they run along the edging of walls, you'll see discoloration, 

ALAN: Grimy trails, a substance called sebum. 

CEDRIC: Dirt and oils off the body

ALAN: that truly work like a map to help rats navigate the city, avoiding our traps, on their way to plundering our snacks. 

ALAN [to CEDRIC]: Oh, wow. 

ALAN: Bon appétit, mon ami. And it appears they leave each other these clues because they care about each other. Scientists have observed that rats have empathy centers in their brain that help them understand what other rats are feeling.

They cuddle, and play with one another, and they'll even risk their own lives to save their family members. And this sociability, plus their ability to smell things undetectable to humans, it's allowed rats to become one of the most successful mammals on planet Earth. Often by, well, getting all up in our business. Breaking into our homes, stealing our food, being little troublemakers. 

CEDRIC: Wherever we go We can be sure that rodents will follow along. 

ALAN: It's that same combo of powers that Pendo hoped could allow a rat like Magawa to save us. 

PENDO: That is correct. 

ALAN: And when we return, we're traveling back to Tanzania to see how.

LULU: Alan, you've had rats on you this whole time. You still are holding rats. 

ALAN: Still covered in rats. [Rescued pet rats by the way, not sewer rats...]

LULU: Ughhh! Fine but still! The rat tail just went over Alan's lip so it looked like a mustache. Yep, yep. Holding back the nausea. 

ALAN: Petunia, do you want to take us to break?

ALAN: All right, we'll be back soon.

BREAK

ALAN: Oh, I got peed on again. Oh, yeah. Oh, it's dripping right down my hand. 

LULU: Uh, well, this is Terrestrials. We are back with Alan and a rat. That literally just peed on him. 

ALAN: I'm just slowly becoming a rat litter box over here. So, 

LULU: laughs 

ALAN:  They're still cute though, I still like them. 

LULU: Ok, I bet you smell great. 

ALAN: Yeah, I am just getting a closer look at their, their little feet. And like, they're really cool actually. They spread out like a human high five, kind of. Really? When they put their feet down.

LULU:  Oh yeah! Gosh, I will say the more we're looking close. Yeah, they're getting sweeter by the minute here. 

ALAN: Look at that little face. 

LULU: Gosh! There's a little sweet little thing. Oh!

ALAN: Did you hear that? 

LULU: That was really sweet. That's a sweet noise 

ALAN: I'm glad you're warming up to these little buddies because this is where things get incredible. We're heading back to Tanzania to pick Magawa and his human friend Pendo who wanted to train him to save human lives. So, first of all, let me paint a picture of the dangerous problem that Pendo and Magawa were trying to solve.

PENDO: Explosive landmines. 

ALAN: Some countries like Cambodia and Angola and Afghanistan have dangerous things called landmines scattered throughout parts of their countryside. A landmine is an underground bomb that explodes when stepped on. Soldiers sometimes use them in wars to harm their enemies, and they're awful and tragic.

Think about it. What happens when the war is over? A landmine has no way of knowing the war has ended. Once that bomb is set, it just sits there, silently, under the surface of the soil, waiting to be triggered. And this might be years after the war is over. 

PENDO: Even ten years. 

ALAN:  This might just be a farmer, or somebody out on a walk.

PENDO: Mm hmm.

ALAN: And in areas where landmines have been buried and hidden, people never know whether the next step could set one off. So they live in fear. They don't wander off the paths. They don't farm new land. They don't build new homes or let their kids run around and play soccer. It's almost like they're in a prison without walls.

PENDO: They're scared. 

ALAN: And Pendo, who works for an organization called Apopo... their wild hope was that they could train rats to use their powerful sense of smell To find the landmines, because if they could sniff them out, the humans could come in and deactivate the bombs, dig them up and make those areas safe for everyone.

PENDO: This is correct. 

ALAN: And so it began, the hard work of becoming a landmine hunting, life saving hero rat. 

PENDO: Then we have three different stages. 

ALAN: And kinda like school, Magawa had to complete each of the three stages, or classes, to graduate to the next. 

HEADMASTER: All right now, quiet down, quiet down, class is in session, it's time to begin. Please turn your fuzzy ears toward your instructor, Pendo, for your first lesson. 

PENDO: Being socialized with the environment. 

HEADMASTER: You will be learning socialization. 

ALAN: Pendo took Magawa out into the world on a teensy little leash. Introducing him to new smells like flowers and fruits, the sound of cars and trucks and people and puppies, the feeling of grass and dirt beneath his scratchy little claws. 

PENDO: It's where I have started a friendship with Magawa. 

ALAN: And Magawa would get rewarded for trying new things. 

PENDO: Showing love to my rat who is doing great.

HEADMASTER: Congratulations, Magawa! You've really clawed your way to the top of your class! Now you are ready for step two. Click training.

PENDO: We have a clicker you have to press for the sound. Click click. When we click, we provide food. 

HEADMASTER: So Magawa, every time you hear the click sound. It's time to run back for a bit of banana. 

PENDO: And also the avocado and peanut. 

HEADMASTER: Very tasty.

PENDO: Click food. It’s not talking, but we can communicate and he can understand.

ALAN: It's a cool little trick, but you might be thinking, so what? I thought we were talking about saving lives here. What about the landmines? How do they find them buried underground? Well, that gets us back to Magawa's greatest ratty little superpower. 

PENDO: Sense of smell. 

[SNIFFING SFX]

ALAN: Pendo first teaches Magawa and his classmates what the explosive, called TNT, inside the landmines smells like. It's such a faint smell that humans can't pick it up. Only super-smeller animals like dogs, and elephants can smell it. But all those other animals, especially the elephants, they're too heavy and they could accidentally set off the landmines that they're searching for. Oops. 

[elephant trumpet sound] 

ALAN: So what Pendo does is she hides five little objects that smell just like the TNT in the dirt on this huge tabletop. The rats crawl around sniffing for that familiar smell. And they learn that when they smell it —

PENDO: They have to scratch.

ALAN: — to let Pendo know they found it. And as soon as the rat begins to vigorously scratch at the dirt?

PENDO: I can click. And the rat can come, have food. They understand they are doing very good. 

ALAN: And Magawa, well, he was an A plus student, able to find all five hidden objects.

PENDO: When my rat is doing great, I have a song I can sing. [singing] Happy day, happy day, oh, happy day (fading)

ALAN: In part because Pendo was so great at caring for Magawa and teaching him, he actually graduated to stage three early. 

PENDO: He was a very quick learner. 

ALAN: This was the scariest part of the test. He would go out onto a field with real landmines buried below, (deactivated ones, but still). Magawa would have to find Every. Single. One. 

PENDO: We need them to score perfect in training. 

ALAN: Because anything less than a perfect score in a real life search means a landmine might still be out there and someone could step on it.

PENDO: This is very bad. Really stressful. 

ALAN: It was the final test for Magawa. His persistence, concentration, speed, his sniffing ability. So the pressure's on. Pendo and her whole team wondered, does Magawa have what it takes to become a certified hero rat? A super smeller, landmine detector. Time to find out. 

PENDO: I take Magawa.

ALAN: Clip him onto his little leash. 

PENDO: And when I put him on the ground. 

ALAN: He began swerving back and forth in a zigzagging S pattern. 

PENDO: And he was focusing. 

ALAN: His little whiskers wiggling. His little nose twitching. 

PENDO: Walking on the ground, sniffing, 

ALAN: searching for that familiar smell of the TNT explosive. And after just moments, Magawa starts scratching, digging, letting Pando know he found one!

PENDO: Yes! 

ALAN: And another! And another! 

PENDO: He was doing a very great job detecting landmines. 

ALAN: Magawa was on a roll! 

PENDO: Yeah! Was very fast and accurate. 

ALAN: And with incredible speed and certainty, Magawa cleared every single landmine from that field. 

PENDO: He made it. He made it. 

ALAN: Magawa proved to everyone that he had what it takes. He could do the job. Quicker and better than any person, dog, or metal detector. 

HEADMASTER: Congratulations, Magawa! You are now a proud graduate, or should I say, gradu-rat of this fine academy. Ho ho ho ho ho. 

ALAN: For Pendo, this moment was bittersweet. She was so hopeful that he would go on to save lives, but she also knew that this meant it would be time to say goodbye. So Magawa could go away and help the people who need him. 

PENDO: And when we decided to send him to Cambodia, it was very hard. And all of us was sad to to miss Magawa.

ALAN: Cambodia is a country in Asia. where so many landmines were buried 50 years ago. A whole new generation of Cambodians live in fear of these landmines planted during a war that happened before they were even born. This is where Magawa would get to work doing what he does so well. And sure enough, 

PENDO: We had a good news of Magawa doing a very great job in Cambodia. 

ALAN: He was a star. In five years time, Magawa worked his tail off, finding over 100 landmines and explosives. More than any other rat ever. And each time Magawa found one, it meant people were able to go safely dig it up, take it somewhere far away from people, and safely blow it up.

SFX EXPLOSION

ALAN: Kaboom. So it's not a threat anymore. Magawa did such a good job that people around the world started to take notice. A veterinary charity, who normally gives awards to like, search and rescue dogs or heroic pets, awarded Magawa a gold medal. 

NEWS ANCHOR 1: Meet the latest recipient of a gold medal award for life saving bravery, Magawa.

NEWS ANCHOR 2: Magawa's medal has been specially designed to fit onto his work harness. So he can wear it anytime. 

ALAN: Definitely the first rat to ever win the award. For a critter whom many consider gross, dirty, and dangerous, this was a big deal. 

PENDO: I cried. Was very happy. 

ALAN: But like a true hero, Magawa played it cool. Humble. He definitely seemed a little more interested in the snacks than the actual gold medal. Now, rats like Magawa live much shorter lives than people, which means by the time Magawa turned seven, he was an old man, ready for retirement. 

ALAN: And sadly, a few years after that, he passed away. 

PENDO: We, we are missing him, but we feel proud that we trained a hero at who did a very great job. 

[SINGING] Never ever forget you/our hero rat, Magawa

ALAN: Pendo wrote this song to celebrate Magawa's life and his good work helping people. A song about how he showed the world a different side of rats. [sound up of singing in other language] Because he was such a superstar, the people of Cambodia are now safer. 

PENDO: [SINGING] Our hero rat Magawa.

ALAN: Magawa is no longer with us, but other hero rats are being trained to smell when people are sick with a deadly but treatable disease called tuberculosis. 

ALAN: They can detect it faster than doctors. The rats are even learning to do search and rescue missions in buildings that collapse from earthquakes because their small little bodies can crawl into cracks in the rubble and reach places that human rescuers can't. So Magawa's legacy lives on. He's shown us that whether a rat is a friend or enemy, a heroic thinker or sewer stinker, really depends on us. 

 (MUSIC STARTS UP. SONGBUD IS SINGING NOW!)

We’re just rats but we’ve got your back

Show a little respect. We could save your neck.

 

City streets lined with trash

An overflowing garbage can.

Sewers subways and sidewalk cracks

Well what do you expect?  

(We’re just rats, We’re just rats, oh oh oh oh)

 

We’re way too smart, we will survive

Sniff a way to stay alive

But we could get along together, even thrive 

If you can change your attitude

(We’re just rats, We’re just rats, oh oh oh oh)

 

And we’re gonna prove it to the world.

(We’re just rats, We’re just rats)

You’ll never bring us down.

(We’re just rats, We’re just rats)

We’re just rats but we’ve got your back

Show a little respect. We could save your neck.

Listen for the rat sound coming from the underground.

 

Psych! You won’t hear us coming. We’re so hush hush.   

Sneaking out of the shadows to shake things up

And when you say that we’re trashy, we say so what

It’s just a tasty lunch

 

Face to furry face with us

You’ll see that we’re more than just low-life punks

(We’re just rats, We’re just rats)

We’re just rats but we’ve got your back. Show a little respect. We could save your neck.

wWe’re clever thinkers even though we’re little stinkers, yeah! 

 

And we’re gonna prove it to the world

(We’re just rats, We’re just rats)

You’ll never bring us down.

(We’re just rats, We’re just rats)

We’re just rats but we’ve got your back

Show a little respect. We could save your neck.

Listen for the rat sound coming from the underground.

LULU: Psych! There's nothing to hear because they are so stealth! Alan Gofinski, everyone. There's definitely nothing else to listen to. HUH! What’s that?

[BADGERS MUSIC INTERRUPTS]

LULU: Listeners with badgering questions for the expert

KATHLEEN CORRADI: Check check

LULU: And to answer your badgering questions, I've invited a very special guest, the rattiest expert I could find, Kathleen Corradi, New York City Director of Rodent Mitigation.

KATHLEEN: But as I'm more often known, the Rat Czar

LULU: The Rat Czar! Hey, Kathy. 

KATHLEEN: Pleasure to be here. 

LULU: First question from me, why are their tails naked??

KATHLEEN: They use their tail to help control their body temperature.

LULU: Huh!

KATHLEEN: In the winter, you might see its tail tucked up around its body to keep it close to keep that heat in. We're in the summer. It might put out that tail that's mostly hairless out to dissipate more heat out and cool the rat off. 

LULU: Still kinda grossed out about it, but I respect it.

OLIVER: hi my name’s oliver I’m 5, and I wanna know What rats teeth look like? 

LULU: ooh yeah, tell us about their teeth!

KATHLEEN: They're very sharp and rats need to chew to make sure their teeth stay filed down. 

LULU: So their teeth just keep growing their whole lives?

KATHLEEN: Yes. Actually, rodent, uh, dent means teeth.

LULU: Like “dentist”? 

KATHLEEN: Mm hmm. It's kind of one of their superpowers. This whole family of animals is known for their gnawing behavior.

LULU: GNAWty by nature

NOAH: Hi I’m Noah. I'm 13. What's the smartest thing you've ever seen a rat do? 

KATHLEEN Rats live in their burrows underground and they typically have  like a main door and some then escape doors.And one really clever thing they'll do is disguise those openings of their burrows. I've seen leaf litter, potato chips bags covering those openings so they're camouflaging the doors to their home so nothing goes after them. 

LULU: That's so smart. 

KATHLEEN: Yeah. They're incredibly intelligent.

TAYLOR: Hi my name is Taylor and I’m 8 years old. Are rats playful?  

KATHLEEN: Yeah, there's, uh, studies have come out that have recordings of rats laughing when being tickled.

LULU: And without further ado, the recordings. 

[rat giggling] 

LULU:  THIS IS THE SOUND THEY MAKE WHEN YOU TICKLE THEM!

MALCAH: Hi, I’m Malcah, and I’m 7. Do they get along with neighborhood Squirrels in the park?

KATHLEENi: Yeah they're kind of occupying different spaces, different ecological niches. I will say I have seen rats catch any pigeons. 

[wing fluttering]

LULU: No way 

KATHLEEN: Absolutely.

LULU: Why can't a pigeon just fly away? 

KATHLEEN: Rats have lightning quick speed and reflexes. So if there's an opportunity, they'll take it. 

LULU:  RAT-ical. rat-ical.

KATHLEEN: They'll also climb up a tree and take an egg.They are hardwired to survive. 

SFX: EGG CRACK

LULU: Is there anything else in the urban environment that they hunt? 

KATHLEEN: Cockroaches are a food source they like. It's a nice little kind of packet of protein. 

LULU: Little crunchy treat. 

KATHLEEN: Exactly. 

LULU: Man now i am picturing an omelet with chunks of pigeon meat and cockroach legs

KATHLEEN Yes. If they need food they’ll figure out a way to get it. They will happily eat dog waste. 

LULU: Oh my gosh. 

KATHLEEN: Dog poop that is not cleaned up, there's still a lot of nutrients in that, so rats will, um, eat it.

LULU: I hate knowing that.

KATHLEEN: Haha yeah! 

LULU: So we’re gonna leave it there. Terrestrials was created by me, Lulu Miller, with WNYC Studios.

This episode was reported and produced by Alan Goffinski! Our executive producer is Sarah Sandbach. Our team includes Alan, Mira Burt-Wintonick, Ana González, Tanya Chawla, and Joe Plourde, with fact-checking by Anna Pujol-Mazzini. 

Biggest thanks to everyone at APOPO, especially Pendo Mmm-saygu, Said Mmmmshana, and Lily Shallom. Thanks also to: NYC Rat Czar Kathleen Corradi, Cedric Simmons of ALA Environmental Services, Olivia Bensimon and Jake Offenhartz of the Street Leather zine for inspiring the Rat Story Hotline.

LULU: And biggest special thanks to our two wonderful What do we call you? Rat ladies? Handlers? 

JEN: I accept rat lady. 

LULU: who have been in the studio with us this whole episode, who were kind enough to bring nine rats into the radio studio.

ALANNA: I'm Alanna and I'm here with Jen, we are both board members of Helping All Little Things, which is a foster based rescue. 

LULU: Aw

ALANNA: You can find us at our website, HelpingAllLittleThings. org. 

LULU Thank you, Jen. Thank you, Alana. Thank you, all the rats. Wait, can you say all nine names? 

JEN: We have Posey, Poppy, Petunia, Rose. Hyacinth, Ophelia, Geranium. 

LULU: And who's this other one? 

JEN: Who is this? That is yet to be named. She's one of my newer ladies. We could name her Lulu.

LULU: No. 

JEN: We could name her Lulu. 

LULU: Well, could you? I would be honored. Oh, really? 

JEN: So that's a little Lulu. Oh, Lulu. Four months old. So she's a baby. 

LULU: Oh, I'm really honored. The ears are adorable. Guys. I don't, I, I might want a pet rat.

Laughing

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Lulu: alright. And that’ll do it for today. Thanks so much for listening! See you in a couple spins of this dirty, stinky, old planet of ours. Bye!