The Howler: The Dog Who Joined a Coyote Pack
LULU: 3, 2, 1. Imagine.
MUSIC
CHRISTINE: You are one of the least wild animals there is.
LULU: You're known for curling up at people's feet, playing fetch, obeying commands and even...
CHRISTINE: Wearing sweaters.
LULU: But beyond the fenced in yard in which you spend your days.
CHRISTINE: There is a long lost cousin of sorts.
LULU: It's like a wilder version of you.
[MUSIC ]
SFX [coyote yips / howl]
CHRISTINE: What is that? Another dog?
LULU: He calls to you.
CHRISTINE: Ahooooooooooooooooooooooo
LULU: So you jump the fence…
// THUMP
and run.
//
LULU: As your paws kick up clouds of dust, you think about all the human beings who've tried to keep you two apart. They said, there's no way you could survive this friendship, but....
CHRISTINE: They are wrong
AWOOOOO woof
LULU: You have become
CHRISTINE: The dog who ran away and joined a coyote pack.
AHOOOOOOOOOOO + bark bark reverb!
LULU: And now is the time where I make you sing the theme song with me.
CHRISTINE: oh my gosh / Ha ha.
SONG - Terrestrials, terrestrials, we are not the worst we are the
CHRISTINE: best!
SONG - Beststrials,
LULU: Yeah! you got it. Terrestrials is a show where we uncover the strangeness waiting right here on earth. I am your host, Lulu Miller, joined as always by my song bud,
ALAN: HERE TO CROON.
LULU: Alan
ALAN: and howl at the moon
LULU: And here to tell us the absolutely true fairytale of a dog who joined a coyote pack is.
CHRISTINE: Christine Wilkinson.
LULU: Christine is a conservation scientist, who often goes by the name Scrappy Naturalist because she loves creatures that are,
NEW LULU well
CHRISTINE: scrappy….ha ha
NEW LULU: ha ha
LULU: Like Hyenas! [HAHA] That feast on rotting corpses
CHriSTINE: Rats, racoons, Baboons, Jackals, opossums, one of the scrappiest out there in my opinion
LULU: Yeah with their naked tales
CHRISTINE: Hahaha
LULU: and seagulls -
CHRISTINE: Rats of the sky that people like to call them...
LULu laughing
CHRISTINE: And I did have, like, a gull throw up an entire hot dog on my head once, so, like, they're not wrong
LULU: ha ha and these days she’s spendin lots of her time getting up close with the most revied creatures of north america, the hot breathed bloodthirsty slobbering predator that writer Mark Twain once called “, EVIL-eye-ed.
CHRISTINE: Coyotes
AWOOOO laugh
LULU: Coyotes have a bad rap for good reason:
CHRISTINE: coyotes will eat sheep sometimes, or maybe calves,
LULU: Or maybe Pets.
SIGH. Okay. so warning, I need to say a sad thing. It’s gonna take about 30 seconds. BREATH, roomtone drops but when i was growing up - my family dog he was a little white terrier named Charlie, and when he was 13 years old,
MUSIC
a pack of wild coyotes got him.
CHRISTINE: aw.
CHRISTINE: Oh no.
LULU: it was awful. and the morning after it happened, my mom, trying to make me and my sisters feel better, said well look maybe he didn’t get eaten by the coyote pack maybe he went off and.. joined them.
CHRISTINE: ha ha ha maybe he did lulu…
NEW LULU: I know i know, it’s absurd
CHRISTINE: can you imagine
NEW LULU: well, i did imagine..
LULU: just like… at the front of the pack with his proud tiny little chest
CHRISTINE: kinda cute
LULU but i figured it was a joke, something that could never happen..
until i heard about a dog named hades
CHRISTINE: Yeah.
LULU: So this tale begins on the outskirts of Las Vegas, baby. The Nevada desert all around. A little white puppy with some black spots in his ear is born
SFX puppy whimper
LULU and adopted by a family with two kids. Who name him Hades.
SFX Arf / shaking collar / belly pats
LULU: And one day, when he was just a few years old, he jumped the fence. And he disappeared. And the family didn’t know what had happened to him. A month went by. And another. Another. And they were so sad, they had pretty much lost hope. Until one night, the mom saw Hades on the news!
TV CLIP Tonight an unusual story of survival. Two coyotes running down the street in Henderson. Nothing unusual about that but pay close attention to the last of the pack, that is not a coyote, it is a white dog.
LULU It turned out that that whole time Hades had been running with the Coyotes.
TV CLIP Here he is captured on a trail cam.
LULU: For almost seven months, it seemed, he was sleeping with them, hunting with them, howling with them.
AHOOO, arf ahooooooo
LULU: But after all that time, Hades was lookin’ a little weak. So he was rescued and brought home to his family.
TV CLIP I started crying right away. We had tears we had laughs.
And they couldn't BELIEVE their puppy had been able to survive in the wild
for over half a year.
ANA: he’s a GOOD BOY , yeah, pat pat pat
LULU: But the part I can't believe is that the coyotes did not, urrrr, eat him. haha That seemed totally COUNTER to their ‘blood thirsty” evil-eyed reputation…
CHRSTINE: ummm.. Not not REALLY (fading under)
LULU: But Christine was not surprised in the least, she said that friendliness is classic coyote behavior
CHRISTINE: Honestly, like, of all of the, coyote partnerships that I've heard of with different species, dogs surprise me the least
LULU: WAIT there are OTHER partnerships?
CHRISTINE: Yeah!
LULU: Like who?
CHRISTINE: Should we just list them out?
LULU: Yes
MUSIC IN : “SECTION SONG 1”
CHRISTINE: We have seen the badger coyote relationship, ,
LULU: What?
LULU: Christine explained a few years back a big ol coyote and a little badger were caught on video trotting together, [ahooo!] like buddies through a tunnel,
CHRISTINE: So this coyote is kind of going along and, and looking back to wait for its badger friend who is lumbering along. They're like, “Making my way downtown”
LULU: HA HAH
LULU: But that’s puzzling to me because.. a coyote could maybe eat a badger, right?
MUSIC CROSS FADE: “SECTION SONG 2”
CHRISTINE: , I mean, yes, But badgers are pretty fierce. …
ALAN: Snap / snarl
LULU: not only do they have super sharp teeth, the badger can do something the coyotes can’t. They’re tenacious diggers
MUSIC SONG 2.1 PERCUSSION LAYER IN
CHRISTINE: flush out the prey
LULU: so when the two of them work together.. With the coyote sprinting
CHRISTINE: They can run up to 40 miles an hour
LULU: After a gopher say, and the badger digging down into wherever the gopher tries to hide
ALAN super fast: dig dig dig dig dig dig
LULU Their kill rate goes up!
ALAN: we gotcha!
MUSIC SONG 2 ENDS / SONG 3 FADES IN
LULU and they've been observed sharing the spoils.
ALAN Mm gopher kebab mmm
CHRISTINE: This relationship has been documented by indigenous folks for a long time. It's just like getting all this press now because we've actually caught it on camera.
LULU: Indigenous stories going back for thousands of years talk about the coyote as a shapeshifter that will befriend all kinds of animals. And these days scientific research is catching up.
CHRISTINE: we have seen ...
MUSIC SONG 3 ENDS / SONG 4 STARTS
CHRISTINE: raccoon coyote relationships.
LULU: Two trash goblins, goin’ to town!
[trash can sound]
CHRISTINE: Coyotes and ravens [CAW]
LULU: What's a coyote doing with a raven? What's that buddy comedy all about?
CHRISTINE: Coyotes and ravens can basically help each other to find food.
LULU: Dead food. The coyote had learned to follow the raven as it flies towards a rotting carcass somewhere. And the raven [YUM] will clean up the leftovers after the coyote is done! [CAW]
LULU: And the cross species friendships don't stop there. Coyotes have been seen palling up
MUSIC SONG 4 ENDS / SOUND DESIGN DRONE ENTERS
LULU: to cows [moo]
CHRISTINE: bears,
LULU: what?
LULU and even the arch nemesis of all dogs:
CHRISTINE: cats
ALAN MEOW
CHRISTINE: And bobcats,
ALAN: Bigger meow.
MUSIC SONG 5 ENTERS
LULU: That's right. There's a story of a coyote puppy becoming friends with a bobcat kitten in a wildlife rescue.
CHRISTINE: , the puppy was the runt of the litter and she was, getting bullied a lot.. [puppy sfx] by her, by her siblings, And so they, found her a playmate, which was a bobcat kitten [kitten sfx]
LULU: and they hit it off! They began playing together rolling around, tugging on each other's ears.
CHRISTINE: play is actually a way of, of social learning, how to be with one another, how to exist in society.
LULU: huh!
CHRISTINE: Actually on that note.
LULU: Christine explained that this friendliness, this willingness to roll with all kinds of different creatures- It’s just one example, of this broader thing of what is kind of the scrappy, easily overlooked scrappy superpower of coyotes, what scientists call: .
CHRISTINE: Behavioral flexibility
ALAN + LULU BUTTON: behavioral flexibilityyyyy!
Not the best at anything, ok at lots of things!
LULU: They're flexible. Able to behave in all kinds of different ways, which as an animal is kind of a weird superpower because usually we admire a creature for being specialized. Being the best at one thing, like cheetahs who can run the fastest [SFX FWOOSH] or giraffes [SFX STRETCHY NECK] who have the longest necks.
LULU: But coyotes, they find their power in being precisely the opposite. Not the best at anything, but absolutely okay at lots of things. And this
ALAN + Lulu BUTTON: behavioral flexibiltyyyYyyyyy!
LULU: extends beyond not just who they'll be friends with.
But also what they'll eat for food
CHRISTINE: From insects to fruits to deer and avocados ha ha and trash. Don't forget trash.
LULU: What time they go to bed?
[SFX CRICKETS]
CHRISTINE: Yeah they are actually active at all times of the day
LULU: How they hunt
CHRISTINE: They either go solo or pairs or packs
[HOWLS]
LULU: And even where they live. While many creatures are specialized for one type of environment, coyotes are not picky.
[WINDS / COLDER WINDS/ TREES]
LULU: They live in forests, grasslands, cold places, hot places.
CHRISTINE: Yeah
LULU: And even the landscape where very few wild creatures can survive
[SFX TRAFFIC FADES IN]
LULU: human cities.
[SFX TRAFFIC]
CHRISTINE: They can subsist anywhere
LULU: Even in Chicago!?! Where I live?
CHRISTINE: Yeah
MUSIC ENDS
LULU: GASP
DRACULA MUSIC CREEPY ENTERS
LULU: Ok well after the break, I am gonna head out into the land of steel skyscrapers that is Chicago Illinois see if I can actually find some of these supposed urban coyotes
LULU: whoa I’m actually feeling a little nervous right now!
LULU - stick with us - IF YOU DARE
MUSIC ENDS / HOWLING ENDS
BREAK
LULU TAPE: The sun is low in the sky. It's not that bright yet and I am…. heading into a graveyard…
LULU: This is Terrestrials. And we are walking into a dim cemetery.. right at dawn… to search for ghosts…
LULU: okay so were walking by some little graves right now…
LULU: The living ghosts of Chicago... the supposedly bustling population of wild coyotes that lurk among us
NEW MUSIC
ROBERT: There's a well known statue here, uh, that looks sort of like the Grim Reaper. ooh!, and it's kind creepy.
LULU: Leading me to this huge creepy grave, inside Graceland Cemetery is Robert Lowerzell, a journalist and photographer with a knack for snapping pictures of wildlife.
ROBERT: the urban legend is that if you, uh, Look into the eyes of this sculpture, you will see a vision of your own death.
LULU: Oh, scary!
LULU: And when Robert first looked in the eyes of this statue, he saw not his death, but...
ROBERT: I just happened to notice that there was a coyote sort of creeping toward me. laughing
HUH!
LULU: and he was freaked out
ROB, Oh, god, there's a coyote here!
FAKE LULU huh
LULU: We look around but don't see one here today so he leads me to a back corner of the cemetery..
ROB: You'll see them. Sometimes the coyotes will be along here.
LULU: And I have to admit, I was starting to feel a little spooked…
ROB: There have been a couple of times here at Graceland Cemetery where I've seen a coyote. And I'm trying to follow where it's going, and I think, Oh, it's gotta be behind that now. And then I look there, and it's like, gone!
LULU yeah
ROB: And I'm like, where did it go? It was like magic.
LULU: According to scientists, there are somewhere between 2 - 4 thousand coyotes LURKING in Chicago.
[woosh]
LULU: suddenly a four legged creature starts walking toward us…
MUSIC
LULU: but its just a dog, being walked by his human
Lulu: can I ask you a question?
LULU: Have you ever seen a coyote in this graveyard?
DOG WALKER: Oh yeah, one actually. He ran into my dog. Like I didn't even see him coming
LULU: Ha! Was it terrifying?
DOG WALKER: I mean, after that I started carrying a stick around
LULU: uhhh
LULU: And it turns out the reason I feel so spooked right now is also the key to why coyotes have been able to to so well in the city. It’s that scrappy, overlooked, boringly-named SUPERPOWER
ALAN: behavioral flexibilityYYYyyYyyyyyyyy
LULU: they’re flexible. Which means they’re also unpredictable. they might be in a friendly mood, or they might be aggressive... they might be alone, or they might be in a big pack... which makes them hard to pin down. Like real life ghosts. shapeshifters.
[Robert Echo: it was like magic]
LULU: But it also makes them
[FUN ROMPY MUSIC]
LULU: Wildly… successful!
SFX HOWLS
Robert told me stories of packs of coyotes going after squirrels in broad daylight, and
LULU lone coyotes creeping through alleys at night to gorge themselves on trash.
NEW LULU: Coyotes riding city trains
[choochoo ahoo!]
NEW LULU: walking into grocery stores!
[where’s your frozen meat section?]
and one time…
ROBERT: A coyote walked into a quiznos sandwich shop…
LULU: Ha ha h Really?
ROBERT: And it was just sitting there
LULU: Waiting for a sub! ha!
LULU: It's like they've cracked our code, they know where we stash our food, how to open our trash cans. And Even how to navigate the dangerous maze of streets
SFX CARS
ROB: Scientists have observed the coyotes obeying traffic signals.
LULU: No.
ROB: Waiting for a green light.
LULU: Really?
ROB: Yeah.
LULU: And before they cross?
ROB:Yeah.
LULU: But probably the most important trick coyotes have learned to survive the city… is to hide from us.
ROMPY MUSIC ENDS
LULU: We haven't seen one yet, but do you think there's any chance they've seen us?
ROB: Yeah.
DRONEY MUSIC
LULU: Robert's guess is that even though they could attack us, and to be clear from time to time they do. They've learned that the less they bother us, the safer they are.
ROBERT: That's one of the cool things about them is like just thinking they might be watching.
LULU: As we walked around for hours, I couldn’t help but to feel like there were eyes on us…
MUSIC
LULU: And started to FEEL - on a visceral, body level - something that Chrsitine had told me. About why coyotes were able to survive.. something that killed off nearly all the WOLVES in the US.
[ SPACE]
NEW CHRISTINE: Great question. SO… so san francisco… picture if you will… [wild west music in]
in your mind’s eye…
NEW LULU: The wild west of the US, back - about 200 years ago when it was still.. WILD!
CHRISTINE: Can you see it?
SFX: brK BARK ABRK
NEW LULU: Sage brush, mountains… and THOUSANDS of coyotes and wolves, running, hunting, howling at the moon - ahoooo
So 200 years ago the wild west of the United States was wild..
LULU: Hundreds of thousands of wolves and coyotes roamed, barking, hunting rodents, howling at the moon… AHOOOO… Until… European settlers came out. They set up farms, with big meaty cows [MOO] and pigs [OINK] and … and well, the coyotes and wolves… couldn’t resist attacking and eating these new juicy snacks
SFX: arg YUM
So the farmers and the US go vernment decided.
CHRISTINE: Let's kill them all off
ALAN: let’s kill them all off.
LULU; With rifles
CHRISTINE: shoot on sight
ALAN: shoot on sight!
PEW!
Lulu: And poisons.
[aw, sad!]
LULU: And well.. This extermination campaign.. It worked… when it came to wolves anyway.
RIGHT
After about 150 years, the gray wolf population living in the US … was completely gone.
Quiet/ sad music
No howls in the trees, just… silence
LULU: But the coyotes…
NEW BOUNCE BACK MUSIC
LULU: survived.. some people even called them… “UNKILLABLE”.
Ahoo ahooo ahoo
And Christine thinks that their unkillability, their ability to outlast the wolf [who NEEDS its wolf pack to hunt with], was due to that easy to overlook, scrappy trait
ALAN: BEHAVIORAL FLEXIBILITY
NOT THE BEST AT ONE THING, OKAY AT MANY THINGS
LULU: They can hunt in a pack, but also scavenge solo.
CHRISTINE: wolves aren't out there eating avocados.
LULU: But coyotes are! And they’re not afraid to stoop to eating trash or roll with friends in low places
Arf CAW
LULU if it means getting an leg up… on not getting snuffed out.
WoO!
LULU: And – oop!
GRAVEDIGGER: Sorry i don’t mean to interrupt but theres a coyote…
LULU: Snapping to attention BACK to the graveyard, where i was sitting on a little wall with Robert, suddenly a literal gravedigger comes over to let us know.. We are being watched…
GRAVE DIGGER: We just saw him, he was like, over kind of on the top of that hill.
LULU: Oh!
LULU: By a coyote
LULU: Oh, I see him. I see him. I see him. Oh, did I see him? He's standing on a grave. Do you see him? Okay. Do you see him? He's right there. He's right there. He's turning his head. Oh my God. Oh, he's moving. He just got off the grave. Oh, there he is. Yeah. Okay. That's a coyote. He's beautiful. He's just chilling. He's like light, light, grand, top. He's running across the grass. I can't even say words 'cause he is pretty and I'm so excited. he just wagged his tail.
ROBERT: Yeah. It kind of looks like he's wagging his tail, but he's not wagging it for human attention. No?
LULU there’s another one!
ROBERT Oh, there's another one on the top.
LULU: That's a different one. There's three. Ah ah ah ah! They're just doing their thing. They're running through the shadows.
LULU: and then without warning, they disappear.
LULU: I’m freaking out.
LULU: three of them in a pack just running away...
ROBERT: are we glad?
LULU: Yes. I feel like the day is, the day is blessed. And they looked real happy. They looked healthy.
LULU: As we walk out, I cannot wipe the smile off my face. I feel charged. Alive. And Robert tells me this is a feeling he sometimes gets. He lives just a few blocks from the cemetery. And every now and then at night… he hears howls.
LULU: What does that make you feel when you, like for real, when you hear that?
ROB: It's hard to put my finger on it exactly. I mean, I think people like me find some comfort in the fact that wildlife has managed to prosper in spite of humans and what we are doing to the world, that we've still allowed some space for it to exist.
MUSIC
LULU: Seeing them in the light, out of the shadows, i could see them more completely, not only as the vicious things of my imagination, but as the sometimes playful, flexible souls they are, doing what they need to survive. MEANING... that there is a chance.... a statistically VERY unlikely chance... but still not zero sized chance, that my dog Charlie DID join the pack…
And as for Hades, the dog who we know joined a coyote pack for over half a year.
MUSIC
His family told us that… once he came home, though he loved all the comforts and cuddles from the kids and plenty of dog food, they said he still hasn’t completely shaken his wildness.
LULU: and sometimes at night as the moon rises, he’ll howl.
ahooooooo
ALAN LuLU END SONG
NEW LULU: Alan Goffinski.... And that’s all the howlin we’ll do today, nothing left to hear GASP! What’s that? The BADGERS! Listeners.... With badgering questions for the expert. you ready?
CHRISTINE: okay
BADGERS
Q: I’m Linc. I’m 8 years old. Do coyotes ever actually howl at the moon?
CHRISTINE: ha ha ha. I do not know if we know the answer to that question, but they do howl, not just for communication. Sometimes they howl just for funsies
LULU: just for pleasure?
CHRISTINE: so they can be singing for the sake of it.
LULU: So we don't know if they howl at the moon, but if a moon was up and they're just howling for fun, they're at least howling with the moon
Christine: Toward
LULU: toward, ha ha
CHRISTINE: in the vicinity of the moon,.
NEW LULU CAPPER: just me howling in the vicinty of the mooooooooOOooon
for sure
Q: WALTER: Hi, my name is Walter. I'm seven. Does Coyotes eat whatever they find? If, if they do, I will be so amazed and I'm gonna go crazy.
CHRISTINE: ha ha ha. Well get ready to go crazy because they do eat kinda anything that they find [lulu laughing] it's true.
NEW LULU: [still laughingso likeveggies, candy– protein, dairy
NEW CHRISTIN CLIPS: YEAH… and i do know that in wide country they have been documented eating the grapes as well
Lulu: woa, ha
NEW LULU: BOUGIE!
CHRISTINE: they love grapes
LULU: sdo There's anything they wouldn't eat?
CHRISTINE: Uh, poisonous things, things with, um, pepper on them. spicy food. Like you're not gonna have it eating like one of those triple fire taco bell packs.
LULU: ok so... more for me!
LULU: ha
CHRISTINE: laugh
Q: My name is Sinai. I'm 12 years old, are there any creatures that eat coyotes?
CHRISTINE: There are lots of larger carnivores that have been known to eat coyotes, for example, pumas, wolves, bears, and even golden eagles.
LULU: Wait, sorry. You just said eagle could eat a coyote.
CHRISTINE: Yeah. Golden eagles, they're enormous, and coyotes are not that big.
LULU: How do they get 'em?
CHRISTINE: Swoop down with their talons and scoop 'em up.
LULU: And then like,
CHRISTINE: Eat 'em.
LULU CAPPER: SNAP
LULU: kay.
ALICE: Hi, my name is Alice. I'm 10 years old, and my question about coyotes is, what's the difference between a coyote and a wolf?
CHRISTINE: Oh, there are so many differences. Wolves are significantly larger than coyotes [okay] so they have like a lot bigger paws, usually twice the size of a coyote paw. Coyotes have this like longer narrower snout, and these pointier ears.
NEW LULU: Aight so coyotes pointier, wolves.. beefier
CHRISTINE: Yup
Ha ha
RUBY: My name is Ruby. I am seven. And my question is, is it true that Coyote Pea makes bears go away from their habitat?
CHRISTINE: I believe it is quite unlikely that coyote pee makes bears go away. But there is some evidence that Wolf pee might make bears go away from their habitats!
LULU: ohhh, wow. Does anyone sell wolf pea to keep bears away at campsites?
CHRISTINE: yes, there is Wolf Pee for sale on the internet right now. There's also Coyote Pee if you're interested.
LULU: I thought I was making a joke.
CHRISTINE: no every single one of us can purchase Wolf Pee and Coyote Pee
LULU: That’s right folks. URINE… Luck! Alright that’s where to leave it.
CREDITS
Terrestrials was created by me, Lulu Miller, with WNYC Studios.
Our Executive Producer is Sarah Sandbach.
This episode was produced by Ana Gonzalez + Mira Burt-Wiintonick. Our team also includes: Alan Goffinski, Tanya Chawla, Natalia Ramirez, and Joe Plourde. Fact-checking by Natalie Middleton. yahoo.
Support for Terrestrials is provided by the Simons Foundation, the Arthur Vining Davis Foundations, and the John Templeton Foundation. Thank you!
Big shout out to our storytellers Christine Wilkinson, -you can watch her really cool coyote videos and so much more at [ScrappyNaturalist.com]
And Robert Loerzel who snaps the most incredible photos of wild beasts in Chicago - coyotes, eagles, foxes, he’s over @RobertLoerzal [that’s Loerzal] on all the social media.
Also if u wanna see some other videos, maybe less…. noble and elegant and more silly follow us! …On instagram and tiktok @terrestrialspodcast ! if you have your grownup follow us now, you’lls see instructions for how to win free merch (like a poster signed by me?!” ) [[maybe repeat the address or just move along]
Uh and finally, This is our last episode of Season 3, and so a big [ahooooooo] from all of us at terrestrials, thank you so much for listening… we truly make this for you
Another season is coming in a few months and we’ve got some treats releasing over the summer, so keep listenin’ to the radiolab for kids feed.
NEW LULU: and also if you want to see us in person THIS august we a re doing a series of cool live events in new york city. We’ll be doing a two-day takeover of little island on the Hudson River in manhattan. at pier 55. There will be fun morning events where kids can play and move around and then a LIVE podcast taping of a terrestrials episode - both evenings in the early evening. Pretty sure there’s gonna be free pizza. Anyway. That’s AUGUST 6th and 7th, mark calendars, and learn more at
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That was a lot of words for the two of you still here. See you in a couple spins of this dirty lil planet of ours….bye! roar!