KATHY: When I was a kid, I would send out letters to celebrities with, uh, photos and stuff, hoping they would return it with a little autograph.
TOBIN: Like who?
KATHY: Let's see. The cast of Xena.
TOBIN: The entire cast?
KATHY: The cast of Xena! [BOTH LAUGH] The cast of Hercules.
TOBIN: Huh. A big fan of cast lists.
KATHY: The cast of Ocean's Eleven.
TOBIN: My god, there's eleven of them!
KATHY: I can go on and on.
TOBIN: [LAUGHS] Did anyone return anything to you?
KATHY: A lot of them did! I sent it to *NSYNC at some stadium when they were on tour, and it was returned with everybody's signature, and Lance signed it twice! [TOBIN GASPS] Because I think he didn't realize he had already signed it.
TOBIN: Oh, Lance.
KATHY: Lance! The gay one! [TOBIN LAUGHS]
[THEME MUSIC STARTS]
GUEST 1: From WNYC Studios this is Nancy.
GUEST 2: With your hosts, Tobin Low and Kathy Tu.
[THEME MUSIC ENDS]
TOBIN: So, y'know, it's incredible to reach out to someone you admire and know that they might actually respond. So, like, this spring, for example, a group of third-graders at Bank Street School -- it's, like, this progressive school in upper Manhattan -- they were learning about civil rights.
TOBIN: And their teacher, Esther Gottesman, taught them about a young man named Gavin Grimm.
[XYLOPHONE MUSIC IN]
STUDENT 1: Oh, yeah. Gavin Grimm, he's a boy, he lives in Virginia ...
STUDENT 2: So he was born ... the doctor -- I guess? -- said, "This is a girl." But he thinks he's a boy, which makes him transgender.
STUDENT 3: So we read an article and I remember one of them said -- um, the parents said it was like -- they thought it was, like, a disease ... which was not the nicest thing to say.
STUDENT 4: If you have the parts of a girl and you feel like you're a boy, you go to the boy's bathroom. But people who are not transgender and were born a boy and feel like a boy might not feel comfortable with that.
STUDENT 5: He wanted to send his school to the Supreme Court. And that's a really big court. So it got put on the news because it, like -- it's a really big thing.
ESTHER: They heard his story and, immediately, were really drawn to him and the obvious injustice.
[SHIFT IN MUSIC TO UPTEMPO LETTER-WRITING MUSIC]
STUDENT 6: Dear Gavin,
STUDENT 7: Hello, Gavin!
STUDENT 8: Dear Gavin,
ESTHER: We wrote these letters to Gavin.
STUDENT 6: I was supporting you because I think you're very brave because you stand up for yourself.
STUDENT 7: And I support you because I believe that trans people are people and they should have all the same rights as everybody else.
STUDENT 8: You should be able to use the bathroom you want. Me and my class are supporting you.
ESTHER: They had to self-edit their work and check their spelling and write in their best handwriting and ... y'know, we spent a few days on those letters.
STUDENT 6: I think that the Supreme Court should say that you're able to use the boy's bathroom.
STUDENT 7: Because it is unfair that trans people are being treated unfairly, and it needs to stop. How do you feel about fighting for your rights? I think you should keep fighting for your rights. Be brave and stay strong. I believe that you will win.
STUDENT 8: I believe that you will win.
STUDENT 6: We believe that you will win.
[UPTEMPO MUSIC OUT]
ESTHER: Like, the day that we were gonna send them out, I read on my phone that his case got kicked out of the Supreme Court and sent to a lower court.
STUDENT 9: He got moved down because Donald Trump took away a, um ... [ANOTHER STUDENT QUIETLY WHISPERS, "GUIDANCE"] guidance. And it was kind of confusing, like, why, and what happened to make him go down to a lower court.
ESTHER: So we talked -- we had another meeting and we talked about whether we still wanted to send them. And we had one person in the room who was really not -- "We can't send them. We're gonna make him feel bad. He just got kicked out of the Supreme Court, and now we're gonna send him these letters about how he's about to go to the Supreme Court, and it's not kind and we can't do it." And so, y'know, we have sort of a conversation around ... whether it was something that we wanted to do or not.
And we decided to do it and enclose some letters that explained what had happened.
[UPBEAT, LIGHT SYNTH MUSIC IN]
[CLIP] GAVIN: We're, uh, headed out to the post office, 'cause I get, like, little letters and sometimes little packages. When the decision -- the bad decision -- was handed down, um, that the Supreme Court wasn't taking my case anymore, I got, like, a ton of mail.
GAVIN: Like, a huge influx of mail.
DIANA: So this is the post office where your letters get sent?
GAVIN: Yep! I have my P.O. box here.
TOBIN: So, by pure coincidence, a documentary for Vice's women and culture site, Broadly, captured what happened next.
[CLIP] DIANA: So, what did you get?
GAVIN: So, I had a, uh, key in my box.
DIANA: This is a lot of stuff!
GAVIN: Yeah, I do definitely get a lot of mail. [SOUND OF TEARING ENVELOPE] And then this one is from Bank Street Children's Programs.
I feel like I know you. My name is Esther, and I'm a third-grade teacher at a school in New York. My class has been studying the history of civil rights in the U.S. So, over the past month, my students have been thinking about you and learning about the lives of trans youth. I will let their letters and thoughts speak for themselves, but I did want to share that when my students learned that you wouldn't be going to the Supreme Court, they cried. [TEARING UP] Oh my god! [TEARFULLY] They debated whether to still send their letters to you or not, and some of them still feel nervous that these letters will make you feel sad, but ultimately we want you to have them, because 'we still have Gavin's back, forever.'
In Love and Solidarity,
ESTHER: When they found out he was coming on Friday, they -- like, it was -- I keep saying it was like what you see, like, old footage from a Beatles concert in the '60s.
STUDENT 10: I was, like, jumping up and down. And I was so happy because I really want to see Gavin, like, in person.
ESTHER: One of the kids stood up and threw her fist into the air and yelled, "This is gonna be LIT!" [LAUGHS] They just, like, lost it.
[CLASSROOM SOUNDS IN]
STUDENT 11: Hi, Gavin!
GAVIN: Oh, my name is Gavin. I like to draw. I like manga, I like Pokémon, um, and ... I'm 18.
[CAMERAS TAKE PICTURES]
ESTHER: So, we had some questions that we wanted to ask. Also, just, have a conversation!
GAVIN: Awesome, okay!
STUDENT 12: In your college that you're going to, um ... do you think that people are gonna keep up the same behavior that they -- that people are having with you in high school, or do you think that there are gonna be people who have a change, and some people are actually gonna try and stand up for you?
GAVIN: In college, people are usually a lot more mature, and have other things to worry about. And so I think that I'm gonna have a lot of an easier time at college.
STUDENT 13: Do you think people overreacted when, um ... when they heard that -- that, uh ... that you were gonna be -- that you were transgender?
GAVIN: I think for sure people overreacted. Um, in part, again, because they don't know what "transgender" means, and so they weren't sure how to take that information.
STUDENT 14: Um, I have a few questions. One is, um, like, were your family and friends supporting you in this?
GAVIN: Yeah. My friends were all great right from the start. Initially, my family took a little bit -- my mother was great, but the rest of my family took a little bit of time. And, unfortunately, there's some family that we didn't talk to for a very long time because of it.
STUDENT 14: The other question is about your pet pig.
STUDENT 14: And how long have you had Esmeralda?
GAVIN: We got her last summer, so we're coming up on her second birthday with us.
STUDENT 14: [UNINTELLIGIBLE]
GAVIN: Thank you!
ESTHER: Everyone look at me! Per-fect. Smile, everybody. And a couple -- look happy, guys! [ALL LAUGH] Great.
ESTHER: Gavin, I have a question.
ESTHER: Can we write you again?
GAVIN: Of course.
STUDENTS: [ALL AT ONCE] Yeah! Yay!
GAVIN: You can write me as much as you want, any time that you want, anytime, anywhere ...
STUDENT 13: So I -- so I can -- so I can send you the letter from my house?
GAVIN: You can send me the letter from wherever you want.
[CLASSROOM SOUNDS AND VOICES FADE OUT]
TOBIN: After visiting Bank Street, Gavin hopped in a car and headed downtown. He was the guest of honor at a GLAAD luncheon, where he presented scholarships to young LGBT advocates. He's off to community college this fall, and the ACLU is continuing to move forward with his case, which has been sent back to the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals.
[MUSIC FADES OUT]
[OUTDOOR SOUNDS IN]
TOBIN: I'm wondering if you've ever written or messaged, like, a celebrity to tell them you think they're great.
[BOUNCY THEME MUSIC IN]
GUEST 1: I wrote Zac Efron. I think I wrote what I thought would be his email -- [LAUGHS] -- and then wrote, like, a long --
GUEST 2: "email@example.com"?
GUEST 1: [LAUGHING] Yeah, exactly! [FRIENDS ALL LAUGH] And he didn't reply. 'Cause it probably wasn't his email.
GUEST 3: Um, Meechy. [LAUGHS] Meechy Darko, from the Flatbush Zombies. I think he left us on scene, though.
GUEST 1: Oh, oh, I have one!
GUEST 2: -- I --
GUEST 1: I wrote Slash, and Slash replied.
GUEST 3: Oh, what'd he say?!
GUEST 1: He was like, "Thank you, Sinah."
GUEST 3: Ahhhh! Oh my god!
GUESTS: Nancy will be back in a minute.
KATHY: Perfect. Thanks!
JENNY: Hi there! This is Jenny, and I'm the editor of Nancy. If you're listening to this episode with your kids, fantastic! But just a heads-up -- this next story has some words that you probably don't want little ears to hear quite yet, so, um ... be warned!
ZOË: Thank you, Unalaska, for the lovely phone delay. [KATHY LAUGHS] So I also apologize if I interrupt you or talk over you. That's what life is like here.
My name's Zoe Sobel, and I live in Unalaska, Alaska. It is this treeless, volcanic island in the Aleutian chain. There are about 4,000 permanent residents. In order to get here, you're taking a propellor plane from Anchorage -- that's about two and a half hours -- or you're taking a boat.
TOBIN: Wait, so, I have to ask -- what is it like to be a queer person in Unalaska then?
ZOË: There aren't that many queer people. First off, like, Unalaska is mostly men. It has one of the highest concentration of single men in the country. And before I moved here, one of my dad’s friends said there's no reason for me to complain about dating prospects out here, and I was like, "Well, you know ... I date women." [ALL LAUGH] So, there's, like, this group of middle-aged lesbians that I pretty quickly found, but it wasn't until recently that I was able to find queer people closer to my age. And Gilmar was one of them.
GILMAR: I am Gilmar Tapoan.
GILMAR: I want to be someone who’s out there: open about my sexuality, can wear whatever the heck I want. If someone gots beef with me, I'm going to scratch them. [MAKES "RAWR" SOUND]
ZOË: Gilmar's fifteen. He just finished the ninth grade. And we met playing soccer at the community center and were randomly put on the same team. He's the only openly gay boy in Unalaska and he's been out since about the seventh grade.
GILMAR: That’s when I was official. I knew I was gay, I just didn’t want to admit it.
ZOË: A lot of his friends had guessed that he was gay. And so Gilmar jokes that he was denied his coming-out glory.
GILMAR: Everyone saw me and were like, "You’re gay. You just don’t know it."
ZOË: Though people have been mostly accepting of Gilmar, it’s still hard for him to be the only gay kid in his high school. Like, other guys will tease him, saying things like they don’t want to change near him in the locker room.
GILMAR: My whole life turned around, like, me seeing how homophobic some of the guys are. Like, one guy was, like, teasing me about “Oh no, it’s Gilmar.” I was really hurt because, like, I didn’t do anything wrong.
ZOË: Starting out as a kid -- like, a 5 year-old kid -- Gilmar would steal his grandma's heels and wear them around the house. And as he's gotten older he's kind of grown and expanded more, so now he's doing makeup, or he's tried on a wig. He's -- has his own pair of heels now.
GILMAR: I just wanted to be different. Like, who wants to do the same thing over and over again? Like, day after day and like ... no. I just was experimenting and if I liked it, I liked it.
[RUPAUL’S DRAG RACE THEME]
GILMAR: Actually watching Rupaul’s for the first time, I had mixed emotions because this is what I was, like, doing, and, like, I didn’t even know.
ZOË: He finally saw people that were kind of like him. It wasn't necessarily just about the clothes but there also was this intangible something else that just goes along with it.
RUPAUL: This is not RuPaul's Best Friend Race. I have one thing to say: May I call you “Jiggly”? [LAUGHTER]
ZOË: He saw the way that they behaved and the way that they carried themselves, and really just wanted to get more into that additional level of fierceness. He saw his next step. And this is when Gilmar decided to be a drag queen for prom.
[SLOW CLUB MUSIC IN]
GILMAR: Hi, grandma. Did you put the money in my account?
ZOË: You can't just go the the story and buy a dress in Unalaska. The only way to get stuff is online.
GILMAR: Okay. I am ordering my prom dress. It is a short but sexy dress. It has sequins and, um … [WHISPERING] What are these called?
ZOË: Pretty quickly, Gilmar had orders in for everything he needed. He had his dress, he had his heels, he got new makeup, he got new makeup brushes, he ordered his eyelashes. The problem was really -- all that Gilmar knows about drag is from the episodes of RuPaul he's watched.
GILMAR: Learning to do all this stuff on my own is really hard. 'Cause, if you don't have a reference to go to, like: trial and error.
ZOË: Gilmar was looking for a mentor. Someone who actually was a drag queen, and someone who could answer his questions and tell him what it was really like.
TOBIN: So, basically, it sounds like what Gilmar really needed was a... fairy drag-mother, if you will. [LAUGH]
KATHY: Yes, that is exactly what he needs!
TOBIN: Exactly. Yeah. Like, just somebody to give him that extra boost, that last little bit of confidence to really pull this off. So, this is the point at which Team Nancy -- we're coming in, we're working some magic.
KATHY: Yeah, wand and everything.
TOBIN: Can we add some magic in post?
KATHY: Sound effects? Yes.
TOBIN: Here they go.
[MAGICAL WAND EFFECTS]
TOBIN: It seems a little on the nose, but since all of what Gilmar has learned so far comes from RuPaul's Drag Race, it only makes sense that we would go to somebody from the show.
[CLIP] RUPAUL: [DRAMATIC MUSIC] Ladies, I've made my decision.
TOBIN: Gilmar's in Unalaska, why don't we ask ...
[PEALS OF THUNDER SOUND IN THE DISTANCE]
[CLIP] RUPAUL: Alaska, you are a winner, baby.
[DRAMATIC MUSIC PEAK]
TOBIN: ... Alaska Thunderfuck. [KATHY & TOBIN LAUGH]
GILMAR: Oh, my god. No way! T-t-t-t-tomorrow. [LAUGH] At what time?
GILMAR: Oh, that’s fine with me.
[SKYPE CALL SOUNDS]
ALASKA: How do you say the name of your city? Because I've read it, but I don’t know how to say it.
ALASKA: It’s literally called Un-alaska?
GILMAR: Yeah. [SHEEPISH LAUGH]
ALASKA: That’s like the opposite of me. Un-Alaska.
GILMAR: [LAUGH] Yeah.
ZOË: So when we started the Skype call and the video comes up, there is Alaska in full drag. She's wearing this pink floral top with peacocks, teased-up blonde hair topped with a pink rhinestone-encrusted clip.
ALASKA: I guess you were bit by the bug of drag, right? Like, you're like -- you feel like you are a drag queen?
ALASKA: 'Cause I feel it's like being a nun. It's like a divine calling.
ZOË: And she was in front of this backdrop that really just made her look like she was floating in outer space. And Gilmar, on the other hand, is pretty nervous, because it's one thing to watch a video of drag queens, but it's a whole 'nother ball game to talk face-to-face with one.
ALASKA: What's your drag name?
ALASKA: Gli -- Oh, see, I love that. That’s brilliant! That’s stunning. [BOTH LAUGH]
GILMAR: Yeah. Once I told my best friends, they were like, "It's really catchy and smooth!"
ALASKA: It is! And it's based off your real name.
ALASKA: So that’s pretty cool. I love it … Can I get down to the serious question, please?
ALASKA: What are you wearing to prom?
GILMAR: I'm wearing, like, a cocktail dress. It’s black.
ALASKA: Okay. Do you have shoes?
GILMAR: They're like the stilettos with lace.
ALASKA: Oh my God.
GILMAR: I think it’s 7 inches.
ALASKA: What about hair?
GILMAR: Um, I just ordered a new wig that's coming in. It's black with a little brown on the tips.
ALASKA: I'm sure people are going to gag when they see you. Have you told people you're going in -- in drag?
GILMAR: Yeah. I told probably everybody. And they're really excited to see me. The principal knows and he was like, “As long it's not showy, you’re good.”
ALASKA: Showy?! What’s that mean? [DEEP LAUGH]
GILMAR: [LAUGH] Um, it kind of means, like, showing too much breast, most likely -- or too short of a dress.
ALASKA: Oh, so, too provocative?
ALASKA: Okay. Well, that -- that makes sense. It's always better to go for tasteful, especially at a school function.
GILMAR: Yeah. As a high schooler, what did prom mean to you?
ALASKA: I sort of thought of prom as, like, kind of a joke. I thought it was kind of ridiculous. And my mom, like, did the thing where, like, we went to rent ... the tux rental place -- or whatever -- and we rented the outfit and we rented the shoes. And I hated the pants so much. [GILMAR LAUGHS] They were like tapered at the bottom and they like fit me weird and I hated them. And I hated the shoes, they were so uncomfortable. So, as soon as we left the house, I -- I brought a change of clothes and I changed. [LAUGH]
[MUSIC FADES OUT]
ALASKA: I changed it to these, like, old man pants [GILMAR LAUGHS] that I had cut at the bottom so they were like flares. And I wore my Converse, like, sneakers, and I had so much fun.
And the thing is, I was nominated for prom king because I was the only gay kid. And the girls vote for the prom king, and the boys vote for the prom queen. So, like, of course the girls were going to vote for, like, their gay friend rather than like some guy that, you know, they dated for a week and now they hate, you know?
GILMAR: [LAUGHS] Yeah.
ALASKA: So I -- I won prom king. It's still so surreal to me.
GILMAR: What was it like growing up being the only gay kid?
ALASKA: I mean, it was weird, but I clung to my -- to my friends. And it’s not just being gay that makes you feel like you don’t belong in high school. Probably most people in high school feel like weird or like they don’t belong, but that’s high school. High school kind of sucks, like, all around.
GILMAR: It does.
ALASKA: Yeah. However -- it’s getting up, putting on your clothes and going and doing the damn thing. That builds strength, and that’s going to make you the person you’re going to grow up to be.
GILMAR: On those hard days, did you -- how did you deal with it?
ALASKA: I drew pictures. I drew pictures of beautiful women, so now, I basically draw pictures of beautiful women on myself and go out into the world. But now I think back on it and I'm like, "That was research for what I am doing now." You know, it was like practice. When I first, like, went out to a club in drag we made, like, a tube top and a skirt out of garbage bags because I didn't have any girl clothes that I wanted to wear to the club. So, my best friend Elaina from high school -- who I actually consider to be my drag mother -- she did my makeup and she put lashes on me and she taught me how to do that stuff. And then she, like, took this really plain, like, blonde wig and I was like, “It isn't big enough, it isn't big enough,” so she, like, teased the top and gave it like volume. Now, I still wear garbage bags all the time, and I still wear teased-up blond hair. So, really, nothing has changed. [LAUGH]
GILMAR: Wow. How do you deal with those people that hate you?
ALASKA: Well, mostly I ignore them. I don’t read comments on photos or videos because I think that it’s really easy to -- it’s really easy to say mean stuff online, ‘cause there’s such a barrier between, like, reality and [MAKES “TCHK-TCHK-TCHK-TCHK-TCHK” SOUND] this. So, it’s, like, take the negative and, like, own it and embrace it and then just make it into something that’s a source of power for you.
GILMAR: Embrace the hate.
ALASKA: Embrace it, yes!
GILMAR: I try so hard to like absorb that hate, but it’s like -- it kind of gets to me.
ALASKA: I mean, you’re going to prom in drag. Like, you're fucking doing drag for your prom. Like, that’s … that’s … that’s amazing! At 15 years old, you are embracing the difficulty and the struggle, and you’re being brave in the face of that. Like, that's -- that’s how you get through life. That’s how you be successful. So, like, you’re doing it. You are doing it.
GILMAR: You’re making me blush.
ALASKA: Aww, me too. I swear it’s not makeup, I'm actually blushing. [LAUGH]
GILMAR: Thank you.
ALASKA: Have a great prom! Send me pictures!
GILMAR: I will. Bye!
ALASKA: Bye! [KISS, KISS, KISS]
TOBIN: Well, that was, like, as magical as I wanted it to be.
KATHY: [LAUGHS] Alaska Thunderfuck is amazing.
TOBIN: [LAUGHS] So, like, did Gilmar just feel, like, ready to go?
ZOË: You could tell as soon as Gilmar started getting ready, he became a totally different person.
[MUSIC FADES OUT]
GILMAR: We’re at my prom date's house. Doing my makeup.
[MAKEUP SOUNDS IN]
GILMAR: And she is putting on more foundation.
GILMAR: Contour, contouring.
DELANEY: My name is Delaney McConnell, I'm a senior. This is just, like, the first time ever doing his makeup for me, so I'm like, "Oh, let’s be careful!" 'cause I want him to feel beautiful.
GILMAR: You already make me beautiful.
DELANEY: Oh! [MAKES JOKINGLY DISMISSIVE SOUNDS]
GILMAR: We’re about to do the big reveal. It’s really nerve wracking.
ZOË: Delaney didn't let Gilmar see what he looked like. So, after about 45 minutes, we're all done. And that's gonna be the first time that Gilmar gets to see what Glimmar looks like.
GLIMMAR: Three, two, one ... [BEAT] Goddamn! I look good!
ZOË: I was standing in this cramped bathroom with a beautiful, classy Amazon!
GLIMMAR: This is Glimmar for you. So ... a sexy mo’-fo’.
[PARADE SOUNDS IN]
ANNOUNCER 1: ... the grand march! Welcome to Prom 2017! Parents, family, and most importantly moms-with-cameras, you have about 10 minutes to take the rest of your pictures.
ZOË: Prom is huge in Unalaska. It’s held in the elementary school gym but if you haven’t been there before you really couldn’t tell. And people from town, even if they don’t have kids, are lined up outside just so that they can go in and see the decorations and, most importantly, all the kids' outfits.
[PROM MUSIC TRANSITIONS IN]
ANNOUNCER: Ms. Delaney McConnell and Mr. Gilmar Tapoan!
CROWD: [CHEERING] Yeah, Glimmar!
ZOË: Gilmar is probably about 5'9" normally, but with heels on, Glimmar was well over 6 feet tall, so all night you have Glimmar kind of just … You always know where she is, because she's so tall. So, like, whether or not, like, Glimmar is breaking it down on the dance floor or, like, walking over to talk with friends, like, she was just such a commanding presence.
GLIMMAR: Time to party! [BEAT] Time to party! Hey, Kevin.
[PROM MUSIC FADES OUT]
GLIMMAR: Prom just ended. Being as Glimmar ... Oh my god, it was so fun. Sure, like, it was my first time dragging. I heard people say, "Hey, now, you look so beautiful, Gilmar." I was like, I was gonna correct them, but I was like, "You know what ... I'll just deal with it. Like, Glimmar -- Gilmar, same thing.”
[UPBEAT DANCE MUSIC IN]
GLIMMAR: But Glimmar will come out and play on the 4th of July. And I can -- fo’ sho’ -- tell you that. And, probably, next prom, she will probably be in a tuxedo. The tux will be black, with the inside pink. And she gonna go all her natural hair, and I'm gonna have that pink-ass look. And I'm gonna look fierce as hell.
KATHY: That story was produced by Zoë Sobel in Unalaska, Alaska.
TOBIN: Check us out on social media to see the incredible pictures of Gilmar at prom!
[MUSIC FADES OUT]
KATHY: We're starting to work on some new stories, and we're looking to you for help.
TOBIN: Couple weeks back, we asked you to send in advice on first dates. You've already started sending us stuff, like how first dates make you feel crazy.
GUEST: If you do exciting activities like bungee-jumping or roller-coasteering, et cetera, your body will confuse that rush of adrenaline for attraction to the person you're with, and then you'll feel more [sexy] times.
TOBIN: So, what do you have to say?
KATHY: Record a voice memo on your phone and send it to firstname.lastname@example.org.
[CREDITS MUSIC STARTS]
TOBIN: Okay, finally, it's credits time. Our producer...
KATHY: Matt Collette!
TOBIN: Sound designer...
KATHY: Jeremy Bloom!
KATHY: Jenny Lawton!
KATHY: Caleb Codding!
TOBIN: Executive producer...
KATHY: Paula Szuchman!
TOBIN: I'm Tobin Low.
KATHY: And I'm Kathy Tu.
TOBIN: And Nancy is a production of WNYC Studios.
[CREDITS MUSIC OUT]
KATHY: Who's Harry and the Hendersons?
TOBIN: Kathy, get outta here. [KATHY LAUGHS] Go! Get outta here, Kathy! We don't want you anymore! You don't even know what reference I'm making right now [KATHY BURSTS OUT LAUGHING] 'cause you don't know Harry and the Hendersons!