before them. Even these public hearings don't really change the results, they don't have to do with undoing certification, so as of now, it's really not clear, practically speaking, what they can do, especially in court to stop this from happening.
Brian: From what it looks like to me, they can't do much of anything more in court. Yes, they're still filing more lawsuits, so they're playing judge roulette, maybe they'll hit the jackpot in one or more states, but it looks to me like this is not even a legal strategy. This is just a political strategy now. What these unofficial public hearings, like last ditch campaign events, perhaps maybe they're really just grift to raise money. They're still sending out all these fundraising emails.
I wonder if they're also intended to whip up big public demonstrations of Trump supporters that they hope will materialize to put pressure on the state lawmakers, because that's the game plan, I think. The President never promised a peaceful transition of power, and always said he would reject any defeat as the election being rigged, never-mind no evidence, and that he would generate populist outrage to put pressure on the state legislators to go beyond the voters go beyond the courts and declare him the winner.
Zoe: Listen, we have seen no indication from governors in these states, state lawmakers in these states that they are interested in defying the courts, defining their own state constitutions, defying the will of voters. We certainly haven't seen that coming out of state Houses. I think what we have seen in these cases is, the Trump campaign and other GOP challengers have used litigation to get a lot of these conspiracy theories out into the public and out onto the record.
This whole idea that some of the electronic voting systems were tied to the Venezuelan government who could tamper with them from abroad somehow, but they're putting that--
Brian: Right but that's ridiculous. Everybody dismisses that as ridiculous.
Zoe: Right.
Brian: I played the clip of RNC Chair Ronna McDaniel from yesterday, and I think it's interesting, and scary for people who are concerned about the vote actually being upheld and people not being disenfranchised, that the RNC itself, the Republican National Committee, not just people from QAnon and things like that, are getting involved now. Ronna McDaniel, that clip, arguing for an audit of signature envelopes in Georgia, based on a lower rejection rate than in 2018. She says that's enough to raise suspicion if votes that should not have been counted got counted.
Now, I don't know if you've done reporting that can fact check her percentages there, is that a real discrepancy, or a just a spin on something that's less than what she said? Does she have Governor Brian Kemp's ear?
Zoe: Listen, I haven't done reporting on that, but I think what's worth noting is they're not currently in court arguing for any of this. They haven't put their money where their mouth is and gone to a judge and said, "We need you to step in and change something here." They're not walking the walk to back up the talk for lack of a better
