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Brian Lehrer: It's Brian Lehrer show on WNYC. Good morning, everyone. Did you watch the second New York City mayoral primary debate last night? If so, did you watch it on Channel 7 in the first hour and then stick with it into the second hour when you had to move to their website or to obscure TV channels? Like it was Channel 1,240 on my cable system for the second hour of the debate. It was actually Channel 1,240. It was different from the first debate for being in person, not on Zoom, and for the more targeted attacks as it's getting later in the game by specific candidates against those they think are the closest competitors for the votes they might get.

This most often involved Eric Adams, the Brooklyn Borough President, and former police officer, and one of the front-runners who is running on a combination of his experience, his commitment to racial justice, and on public safety. For example, his position that he would personally carry a gun as mayor and as a licensed former police officer drew this retort from civil rights attorney Maya Wiley.

Maya Wiley: Mr. Adams has said he's carried a gun to church, he's asked off-duty officers to carry guns to church. He said he will carry a gun as mayor and maybe even ditches detail. Eric, isn't this the wrong message to send our kids we're telling not to pick up the guns?

Brian Lehrer: Adams tells this story in response.

Eric Adams: Off-duty transit cop, I hear Asian hate crime taking place. I'm off duty on the train. I hear the yell of the Chinese man. He was being assaulted and robbed because he was Chinese. I was off duty, I was able to stop those armed perpetrators from carrying out their actions while off duty. The state law states that a police officer can carry off duty because he has to respond 24 hours a day to any crime that's taking place in this city. I'm proud of every time I do that.

Brian Lehrer: That was Wiley and Adams. As you could hear, that exchange continued. Adams is considered the most pro-law enforcement of the group, along with Andrew Yang. Both answered questions about economic recovery that came up in the debate by saying you can't have economic recovery without safe streets, while the other candidates answered that question more in terms of economics itself. If Adams and Yang are competing for similar tough-on-crime voters, they fought with each other in different ways last night. In this exchange, Adams is harshly critical of gangs' experience and weak connections to city politics in the past.

Eric Adams: You left the city during a very difficult time, even during a time when I did not see my son over two months because I was in the street during COVID. You do not vote in municipal elections at all. I just don't know, how the hell do we have you become our mayor with this record like this? How do you govern a diverse city like this?

Brian Lehrer: Now, Yang for his part sites past corruption investigations into Adams.

Andrew Yang: Is that really what we want in the next mayor, that you think you're going to enter city hall it's going to be different? We all know what's going to be exactly the same. That's why so many people on the stage don't want you to be mayor.

Brian Lehrer: They each had their defenses against those attacks. Yang says he would come in with fresh ideas and all the people on the stage who've been in government for a long time have gotten us into whatever messes is the city is in. On the corruption allegation, Adams points out that he was never convicted of anything. I don't think he was ever indicted either. We'll fact-check that with our guest, Liz Kim, in just a minute. They both swatted away or attempted to those criticisms from each other, but you hear how it went between Yang and Adams who are clearly competing for some of the same people's votes.

Here's one more exchange between candidates competing for similar votes. Controller Scott Stringer is running on being a reform progressive, ready on day one with all his government experience. Former sanitation commissioner and government troubleshooter Kathryn Garcia is also running on competence and experience, though not quite in as progressive a lane as Stringer, but also on competence and experience. Stringer asked her this.

Scott Stringer: Kathryn, just to talk about the de Blasio administration for a second because you've been part of it. What were people thinking when this administration started to double the spending on homelessness from $1.6 billion to $3.2 billion, and that was just homelessness and not build the housing that we actually needed over the last eight years. Tonight, 60,000 people, 30,000 are children, will sleep in some of the most dangerous shelters that I've audited and nothing has changed. This administration has not measured programs to scale up success.

Brian Lehrer: That was Stringer. Here's Garcia's part of her response.

Kathryn Garcia: As you know well, I had absolutely nothing to do with homelessness in this city during the de Blasio's administration.

Scott Stringer: Not saying you did, but you had to be there [crosstalk]--

Kathryn Garcia: I have been on the front lines. I have a strong plan to make sure that we are addressing this on day one and turning back the clock on the $3 billion that is being wastefully spent.

Brian Lehrer: You see what was going on there. Stringer was trying to take Garcia down a peg from her reputation of extreme competence. With those examples, we talk to our mayoral campaign reporter, Elizabeth Kim now, and take your calls. Listeners, we'll make this for anyone who was undecided going into last night, 646-435-7280. If you were undecided going into the debate and you watched, who did you become more likely to vote for, and who did you become less likely to vote for? Did the differences become more clear to you? 646-435-7280. 646-435-7280. If you've been undecided and watched last night's debate, who won between Adams and Yang? Who won between Adams and Wiley? Who won between Stringer and Garcia, or any other way you want to cut it?

If you're already strongly in someone's camp, or if you even work for one of the candidates, stay out this segment. The candidates make their own cases in these clips we're playing. Let the undecided listeners work it through because undecided is still leading in the polls. A lot of people are figuring it out and hopefully, this will be a service to them. Undecideds, how did watching the debate affect your decision-making process? 646-435-7280. 646-435-7280. With us now is Liz Kim, who has a detailed article about the debate on Gothamist and is reporting on the air on WNYC. Morning, Liz, hope you got to wind down after all that and get a night's sleep.

Liz Kim: Thanks, Brian. Good morning.

Brian Lehrer: How much do you think this got more personal because it was in-person, or how much, just because we're in the home stretch and they know or think they know who their competition is?

Liz Kim: It's really both. Being in-person definitely enlivened the dynamic. For example, I felt McGuire was able to assert himself more than in the first debate. You have to wonder whether that has to do with his physical presence. Andrew Yang pointed out early on McGuire is 6'4, but certainly, the biggest motivator is the fact that we have less than three weeks left. This was expected to be a larger audience than the first debate. They're counting on voters now to be doing their homework.

Brian Lehrer: As you discuss in your article, the balance between tackling crime and ensuring fair police practices was a central topic, as in the first debate. Did candidates refocus their positions on that at all as they've gotten feedback or pushback on their original stances?

Liz Kim: They did slightly. If you remember Yang, who has been consistent about saying that he's against the funding the police, but on Wednesday night, he also said that he would hire more police and he'd invest in so-called gun suppression programs and then bring back a unit of plain clothes officers. I think he said the last two things he said before, but I think it really stood out that he said, "I want to bring in more police." He was basically almost sending out like a recruitment message saying, "If you want to help your city, think about becoming a police officer." That was definitely something that stood out.

Then I thought Adams actually pulled back a little bit because he was emphasizing that expression he likes to use about we need to focus on upstream solutions, which is basically to say that we need to look at the root causes. That's been a talking point of progressives. Those two things I thought were very interesting ways in which they enhanced their arguments.

Brian Lehrer: One issue about how to deal with people who are in mental health crises and where the police come into that, on that, there seemed to be a lot of agreement. Here are Wiley and Garcia back-to-back.

Maya Wiley: We are going to make sure that there is a team of crisis responders who help our people who need help by getting them into the programs that also keep them off the subway, but also meet their human rights.

Kathryn Garcia: We have to have crisis teams. We need to be using Kendra's Law. We also need PD to actually patrol the system, which means walking the platforms, riding the actual trains, not just standing around.

Brian Lehrer: Is some consensus emerging that you can say now will likely result in something different under the next mayor than the city has now with respect to the role of police or other adjacent organizations for people who are in mental health crises that could potentially turn violent?

Liz Kim: This was what didn't really get teased out. Everybody, all the candidates agree that the city needs to do a better job on helping the mentally ill. Where they disagree is who should be the people who are responding to such crisis, like 911 calls involving mentally ill people. Moderates, like Andrew Yang, Kathryn Garcia, and Eric Adam's, they do want to put mental health professionals into crises like that, but they also want to have police there as well. Whereas progress oppressive like Maya Wiley, she wants to just bring a team. She wants to take away police officers from responding to those mental health crises and just rely on a team of mental health experts.

Brian Lehrer: Garcia's answer there also referenced police officers on the subway. This is from memory, but I think it was Adams last night who said he would deploy a police officer to every subway train. Am I remembering that right?

Liz Kim: Correct. Yes.

Brian Lehrer: Did Garcia try to rival that and say she would too with the answer we just heard an excerpt of?

Liz Kim: Yes, they definitely are stressing that writers need to feel safe on the subways. The moderate candidates are definitely suggesting that they are really going to ramp up policing in much greater ways. Not just on the platform, but in every train, walking through the trains, things like that.

Brian Lehrer: Listeners, if you were undecided before last night's debate and you watched the debate or even the part that was on channel 7, and then you skip the second half because you couldn't find Channel 1,240 or wherever it was on your TV system, 646-435-7280 on how it affected you. 646-435-7280 if you were undecided 24 hours ago. Anna-Maria on the lower east side, you're on WNYC. Thanks so much for calling in.

Anna-Maria: Oh, thank you for having me. Good morning. Yes, I was undecided, but listening to this debate last night and the comments today, I most definitely will go for Kathryn Garcia and Scott Stringer. I do that because they are very experienced people, they have been working for so many years in the city. They understand the city, they understand the dynamics, and they're experienced. We are coming out on such a pandemic. There's a lot of things going on in the city and we need experienced people. That's why that's my choice.

The other thing is the Andrew Yang is still the third choice is because he promised money. He said that he will give $1,000 when he was running for president. That's right. This is why he's there because this is what people want. Imagine he giving $1,000 to people. No one will go back to work. We don't need that. Thank you so much.

Brian Lehrer: Thank you so much, Anna-Maria. Let's talk about the last thing that she brought up, Andrew Yang and he's running on universal basic income in the presidential race, less so on that, you note in your Gothamist story that candidate Shaun Donovan questioned Yang on this signature policy from his presidential campaign, universal basic income payments, because there isn't much left of it in his mayoral campaign, right?

Liz Kim: That's correct. It's a very watered-down version. I think that Donovan was shrewd. I think his line was something, it's certainly not universal, but maybe it's basic.

Brian Lehrer: Maybe it's so basic that it's so little. For people that don't know [crosstalk]-- Go ahead.

Liz Kim: It would be $2,000 a year and only to that half a million poorest New Yorkers.

Brian Lehrer: There would still some cash in their pockets that they don't have now and $2,000 is significant money to many people in the very lowest income categories. Yang says that when he was running for president with the US Treasury behind him, he could offer the $1,000 a month to every American as a basic personal income in an era of what he saw as coming very high unemployment. That would be $12,000 a year to everybody. This is $2,000 a year just to the poorest, but he says that's all the city treasury can really support.

The city doesn't have a treasury department. It just has a budget. The government has the treasury department and prints money, but is Shaun Donovan offering something more along those lines?

Liz Kim: Some might argue, yes. One of his signature proposals is something that he calls an equity bonds proposal, but what it really is, people may be more familiar with this concept of baby bonds. What he is proposing is, he would like to deposit up to $2,000 a year for children of low-income families. Basically, that would happen. When a child becomes an adult, they could accrue as much as $50,000. That could go toward schooling, it could go towards starting a business. Progressive economists have really embraced this idea. It's not just percolating at the local level, but also at the national level.

Brian Lehrer: Holly in Crown Heights. You're on WNYC. Hi Holly.

Holly: Hi. I am really astonished that Eric Adams is doing so well. It seems to me it's only a few years since Democratic New Yorkers rallied to get the IDC out of Albany and to put Democrats in charge in Albany by getting rid of candidates, including Eric Adams' protégé Jesse Hamilton. I hear sometimes it's mentioned that Eric Adams was once upon a time a registered Republican, but his role in handing control of state politics to the Republicans isn't discussed much.

Now to see him-- He gave $1 million to his IDC protégé when he was campaigning in a tough primary. Every time he talks about how progressive he is or has talked about as a progressive, my jaw drops. I [sound cut] his role in the IDC talked about much.

Brian Lehrer: Holly, thank you very much. Liz, can you fact-check that? How much can we hold Eric Adams responsible for what many of our listeners will remember that era that ended a couple of years ago when there was this group of Democrats in the New York State Senate who were voting to help keep Republican leadership in control of the Senate and able to control what items got brought to the floor. Adams, as the caller notes, was not in the State Senate at that point anymore, but somebody from his district in Brooklyn who he supported, Jesse Hamilton, was a member of the IDC. How direct is that connection?

Liz Kim: That's definitely been something that I've read that I've seen reported. I don't know the details about the donation, but I would say that Holly is a progressive who has a long memory on things like that. There's a certain segment of New York City voters who will probably always be suspicious of Adams for that and also for being once a Republican, but I would also say that there are a lot of newer voters, voters who have moved to New York City more in recent years and younger voters who don't remember that. It's going to be really interesting. His opponents have tried to resurface these issues against Adams. I don't know whether it will stick effectively. That's the question.

Brian Lehrer: Sheila, in the West Village, you're on WNYC. Hi, Sheila.

Sheila: Hi. You want to ask me a question or should I just say who I like?

Brian Lehrer: You can just say how the debate affected who you like.

Sheila: Oh, I was undecided. I had a few thoughts about it, but I was undecided and so happy to have a chance to hear them all and see them all together. I was surprised at myself that I really like Shaun Donovan.

Brian Lehrer: What'd you like about him?

Sheila: He seemed to be above the fray. He seemed to be above dramatics and personal stuff. He seemed to be more thoughtful. I just think he would manage the city very well and very thoughtfully. I liked his background in public housing and the attitude of the importance of doing something practical for us.

Brian Lehrer: Sheila, thank you so much. Christian in Bed-Stuy, you are on WNYC. Hi, Christian.

Christian: Hi. Thank you so much for taking my call. I wasn't able to catch last night's debate, but I plan to watch it [inaudible 00:20:45] I need to. I have been following the race very closely because there's a lot at stake. I had to call in because I wanted to reiterate, at least for me, the fact that increased policing or police presence in the subways or in different neighborhoods is not going to increase a sense of safety, at least not for myself. I feel like a lot of the candidates, especially the two who are the front-runners, are missing that point, and it's incredibly discouraging.

I have been based in New York as an artist and as a member of various communities for years after graduating from a state school here. I feel like if Eric Adams or Andrew Yang get elected mayor, I'm not going to stay here. I'm going to look to pursue my goals as an artist and as a creative person elsewhere because if safety in New York means more police, that's not going to gel with me, and I think a lot of other people. I also feel discouraged because you would expect more from a New York City mayoral race.

I just wish that there was more discourse about new ways that we could try and support homeless folks and new ways to combat gun violence or to increase feelings of public safety that don't involve policing or something like our mayor encouraging off-duty officers to carry openly. That wouldn't gel with me at all. I couldn't imagine living somewhere where the mayor would encourage something like carrying a gun.

Brian Lehrer: Christian, thank you very much. We'll continue in a minute. Brian Lehrer on WNYC.

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Brian Lehrer on WNYC. As we break down last night's second televised mayoral debate, it was on Channel 7, and then on their live stream, website, app, and obscure ABC sub-channels in the second hour. We're taking calls from anybody who went into the debate undecided. How did watching them last night affect your decision-making process? As early voting starts a week from Saturday, primary day is June 22nd. If you have an absentee ballot, you can vote today if you want. 646-435-7280 with our mayoral campaign correspondent Elizabeth Kim, who's got a detailed article on Gothamist and is, of course, on the on WNYC.

There was certainly more yelling over each other in last night's debate than there was in the first debate, but they were usually yelling about something. Andrew Yang interrupted at one point during the debate to say, "Nobody's talking about the budget. There's going to be this huge budget deficit in about a year and everybody has to talk about how to manage a budget and nobody's going to look at it because the deficit could be such a huge thing for city residents and city services." Here there was some cross-talk around that.

Andrew Yang: Mayor de Blasio was setting this [crosstalk]--

Speaker 1: Andrew you're right, you don't have any idea about the budget. You don't have [crosstalk]--

Andrew Yang: Ray would agree with me on this I'm sure because it's common sense. A $5 billion dollar deficit [crosstalk]--

Brian Lehrer: Liz Kim, can you put that clip into some context for us? They were all yelling at Andrew Yang that he didn't know enough about the budget to be concerned about this $5 billion city deficit that he says we're going to face next.

Liz Kim: That was actually something that I would have liked the moderators to allow all of the candidates to expand on and where the city should be investing, especially now that we're getting all of the stimulus money. Andrew Yang has tried to put a lot of emphasis on this so-called, I think he says $5 billion deficit in two years. That's towards his point that we're heading to this cliff that somehow Mayor de Blasio is mismanaging the federal stimulus funds right now, but the truth is that that money has a use-it-or-lose-it quality, there's an expiration.

I think he has to use the first half by the first two years and there's a second tranche that the next mayor or the incoming mayor will get to spend. Whether you agree with it or not, Mayor de Blasio has argued that he wants to use this money to invest in new programs to help jumpstart the city's recovery. That's why a lot of the spending is going towards helping small businesses and stimulating going to schools, for example, rather than maybe paying down the deficit.

Brian Lehrer: Rahim, in the Bronx, you're on WNYC. Hi, Rahim.

Rahim: Hi, Brian. First time calling in, feeling excited. I didn't watch the debate last night, but I read about it and I heard some clips this morning. Last night, my top pick was Kathryn Garcia. My second pick was Eric Adams, but this morning, it switched over to Eric Adams as my top pick. The reason is, my main concern is crime. It just seems like the crime is in the increase by gang violence. That's the reason I'm supporting Eric Adams. I also like Kathryn Garcia because she has such an impressive track record. I feel that either of them would be very effective as the next mayor.

Brian Lehrer: Rahim, thank you so much for your call. Chris in the East Village, you're on WNYC. Hi, Chris.

Chris: Hi, Brian. I was lucky enough to be able to stream the debates in one go on my computer through the ABC 7 online site. I was undecided going in and I'm now supporting Maya Wiley. I think that a lot of the mudslinging between Andrew Yang and Eric Adams was relevant, but not really addressing the whole cohesive picture of all the problems the city is facing. I think Maya Wiley addressed the crime rising issue with involving community support, involving social workers along with police, addressing the small businesses economically and really addressing the cohesive needs to uplift New York City out of the pandemic in really a multi-faceted way.

Everyone talked about their important issue, Adams with the crime and Yang with the small business support and financial support [unintelligible 00:28:16] piss me I want to say, of the fee budget, but I think Maya Wiley offered the one cohesive single vision that addressed the multiple needs that are happening at the same time to the city and to New Yorkers.

Brian Lehrer: Did you say you came in mostly choosing between Adams and Wiley and came out more pro-Wiley? They're seen as opposites in certain respects on the policing issue. What was that decision-making process for you that was making you consider the two of them as your top two?

Chris: In the past, I have seen Eric Adams as the kind of person who stood up against stop and frisking. The person who really was known as the person who helped that not happen anymore. I guess my vision was more clarified with the debate yesterday evening with his vision on guns in churches and everyone carrying a gun who's not even a plainclothes police officer. If you're being attacked by somebody and are not wearing a uniform, how are you supposed to react if you don't even know, they don't even announce themselves? You're really trusting that person who you may not even trust to announce themselves as a police officer, which honestly is concerning to me personally.

Brian Lehrer: Chris, thank you so much for your call. Liz, you wrote that Maya Wiley tried to control the first half of the debate by interrupting her opponents. Describe what you saw and this moment in general for Wiley, as with the other two generally labeled most progressive candidates, Stringer and Morales dealing with different kinds of personal questions about them. Wiley has an opportunity to make some kind of a move right now, right?

Liz: Right. Her job right now is to coalesce progressives and to basically make her case that, "I am the best and the most progressive on the stage right now." She did what she did in the first debate, which is she tried to control it by interrupting her opponents very frequently. So much so that she was gently reprimanded a couple of times for going over time or for just interjecting maybe too much. What it does is it gives her a lot more speaking time. She gets to get in a lot more jabs because when it comes to something like the question or the segment where all the candidates get to ask a question of another opponent, you saw what happened.

Almost all of the questions went to Eric Adams because they want to attack the front-runner. She's not a front-runner, so she's really trying to get as much time as she can. She was largely successful. You saw in the first hour she did have a lot of speaking time. I would also say that these styles, it lands differently depending on the voters. Some voters see that as her being very strong and assertive. For other voters, it turns them off.

Brian Lehrer: One interesting policy proposal from Wiley that I haven't heard from the others is to hire a lot more teachers and reduce class size. Can you explain what she's getting at and if she's unique in that approach?

Liz Kim: I've written about this. Reducing class sizes, it can be into the holy grail in New York City. New York City education advocates have been fighting for decades to get smaller class sizes. Maya Wiley, she's not the only one who wants this, but she's the only one that has a very specific plan. She has said that she has committed, I think it's $250 million to rehiring 2,500 more teachers to pave the way for smaller classes. That's a plan that's backed by the teacher's union, which is ironically actually has endorsed her rival, Scott Stringer. It's also backed by the city council.

Brian Lehrer: Amanda on the Upper East Side, you're on WYNC. Hi, Amanda.

Amanda: Hi. Thanks for taking my call. As I told your screener, I went into last night's debate undecided. I came out of last night's debate undecided. I did not watch the follow-up hour on the Berry channel. I was hoping, and I'm still hoping for something that will guide me because I'm really struggling. The issues that I'm having are that I want somebody with experience, but then Scott Stringer has his sexual assault allegation that writes him off for me. I like that Maya Wiley is passionate, smart, and well-spoken, but she is just too progressive for me. Eric Adams, I'm not interested in at all.

Andrew Wang, I'm not interested in at all. Yang, excuse me. I wasn't interested in him when he was running for president either. I also am extraordinarily turned off that he's never even voted in any local election. I'm stuck. I guess Kathryn Garcia seems like a decent choice, but I don't know because all of her history and what she's done in government has come into question, and I don't know how seriously to take that. I want to like some of the lower-tier candidates because I'm just desperate to choose somebody, but I can't look past that issue from a couple of weeks ago when they didn't know what the median price of a house would cost in Brooklyn and they were off by multiples of [crosstalk]--

Brian Lehrer: $800,000. That was McGuire and Donovan.

Amanda: Donovan. Exactly. I really don't know what I'm going to do and I've never actually been in this position because I pride myself of paying close attention to these types of races. I don't really know what to do.

Brian: Undecided going in, undecided coming out of last night's debate is Amanda. Amanda, one follow-up. It sounds like you dismissed Scott Stringer because of the sexual misconduct allegation against him. Some people are taking a second look at that and saying, "No corroboration has come through. No other women have come forward." Maybe that shouldn't be disqualifying for some other people. Why do you consider it still disqualifying for you?

Amanda: It helps that the lack of corroboration and things like that. I think there was also some allegations floated that the accuser was working on Yang's campaign. I don't know whether that's true or not. I guess my real reaction was from the standpoint that I do try to believe women. I know that there are false allegations that are made, but as a victim of sexual assault myself, I only started talking about it now eight or nine years after it happened. It's a difficult thing to prove, it's a difficult thing sometimes to corroborate. The person that assaulted me, I trusted very closely. You never really know who people are, so I like to believe women. That's essentially my takeaway.

Brian Lehrer: Amanda, thank you so much for your call. Alan in Midwood wants to weigh in, I think, with a different take on Stringer. Alan, you're on WNYC.

Alan: Good morning, Brian. Thanks a lot. I respect the woman's feelings here, but I think that ironically my indecision between Stringer, who was my original first choice, and Garcia, who I also think is very qualified, was locked in in an exchange between Yang and Garcia, where Yang was one of the few people who was willing to say he picked Garcia as his second choice. Most of them didn't name a second choice. That mirrored a comment made by The Times that Yang seemed to like the idea of hiring Garcia to run the city after he won the election, but he was really looking for the most qualified person to run the city.

In that vein, I still think that Scott Stringer has that hands down and I don't believe that a mere accusation 20 years ago by someone who later supported him, donated to him, and said nothing about it for 2 decades is enough reason to say that this most experienced person, especially in the time of financial crisis, should be discounted going forward. I still think many of the people are qualified. I would definitely make Garcia my second choice if she's not the first, but I'm going back to saying, I don't think Stringer deserves to be knocked out.

Brian Lehrer: Alan, thank you very much. Liz, on the Stringer accusation and the Morales accusations from members of her campaign staff who even went on strike last week, they were each made to answer one question about those situations, but they weren't made central by the moderators of the debate. It's very hard to tell how much they are playing into people's decision-making process. How can you tell?

Liz Kim: Something like with Morales, which was covered by a lot of the media, but you really wonder how much the general public gets interested in some internal campaign strife. Although I would say that Stringer's accusation is more damaging because that is a lot easier for people to understand. Women have come out years later in fact and raised sexual harassment or sexual assault allegations against a former employer or a colleague. That seems like a familiar territory. They were only asked about it once and none of the rivals brought it up, which was also interesting.

Brian Lehrer: We leave it there. The campaign marches on. We'll continue to cover the New York primary every day on this show through Primary Day, June 22nd. You can read Elizabeth Kim sometimes every hour on Gothamist and hear her a lot on WYNC. Liz, thanks a lot.

Liz Kim: Thanks, Brian.

 

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