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Brian Lehrer: It's The Brian Lehrer Show on WNYC. Good morning, everyone. Coming up today, we have our lead Eric Adams reporter, Elizabeth Kim, as usual on Wednesdays with clips and analyses from the mayor's Tuesday news conference. To take your calls, some interesting things from this week. Yes, President Biden's new border policy is reducing the number of new asylum-seekers coming to the city.

That's probably not making enough news as the Democratic Party's deliberations over Biden's cognitive capacity dominates the headlines. Also, the mayor staked out a position on legalizing prostitution, sex work or not. That and more coming up with Liz Kim. We'll have Segment 2 today in our WNYC centennial series, 100 Years of 100 Things. We did Thing 1 on Monday, the 100-year history of WNYC itself. Today, it's Thing 2, 100 years of radio, radio overall with an audio curator from the Library of Congress.

Lots of archival audio tape that goes all the way back to the 1920s and on up. We'll invite your oral histories of listening to the radio from any era, from listeners of all ages, moments from the radio that you remember, impact of the radio that you remember on your life or on society from any time. That's all coming up, but we'll start on the fast-moving national politics. Erin Doherty is with us, political reporter for Axios, covering breaking news and the 2024 presidential campaign. Erin, thanks for coming on. Welcome to WNYC.

Erin Doherty: It's great to be here. Thank you so much for having me.

Brian Lehrer: We'll go on both the Democratic and the Republican tracks with the Republican platform announced this week ahead of the Republican convention, which begins on Monday. The Democrats still assessing President Biden, some out loud, some only in private, to decide whether they think he's still the best to beat Trump. There's some breaking news on that that I know you reported on.

In this segment, we're also going to invite you, listeners, to call in and step back from the party labels to say what your core political values are. I'll flesh out that invitation in a minute. Erin, you wrote an article about the abortion language in the new Republican platform, framing it as the party adopts Trump's language on abortion, but his language on abortion has been all over the place over time. Which version of Trump on abortion is in the platform?

Erin Doherty: That is what actually made itself into the platform. Basically, there was only one mention of abortion in the entire platform that was rolled out earlier this week and approved by the committee for the Republican National Convention tasked with approving the platform. It's a dramatic change. In previous platforms as recently as 2020, the language in the platform had language that explicitly endorsed a national ban on abortion. Whereas this language that was rolled out on Monday, it says former President Trump's stance that abortion should be left up to the states.

It does not indicate support for a national abortion ban. Some anti-abortion activists were angry with the position. Others embraced it saying that they thought that the language left it open where that still means that in some states, there could be a very strict ban on abortion and the language keeps that open. Zooming out a bit, this just is indicative of former President Trump and the Republican Party's dance with this really politically potent issue. Abortion has been a really vulnerable issue for Republicans since the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade in 2022.

Despite former President Trump claiming credit for that Supreme Court decision because he appointed three of the Supreme Court justices who were responsible, he has since realized, I think, the political potency and dangers that his party's longstanding stance has on the issue, particularly with these moderate voters in swing states and women voters who are going to be key in November. I think that the party platform moves closer to Trump on the issue. It's a sign that they're trying to toe the sign of not alienating the anti-abortion activists that have been long in the party, but also try to not alienate these more moderate voters who support a more moderate stance.

Brian Lehrer: We talked yesterday on the show about how none of this might be convincing to people who are for abortion rights because Trump has been all over the place over time. Because if this is his position today in reaction to how popular abortion rights seem to be around the country, what happens when he gets into office and there's a Republican Congress? If there's a Republican Congress that does send him some kind of national abortion ban, then the politics for him might change.

Plus, he doesn't have to worry about re-election again presumably. Hopefully, he'll stick to that part of the Constitution if he's re-elected, the two-term limit's amendment to the Constitution. It keeps it all in flux. I want to dive down a little deeper on one aspect of what's in the platform on abortion that maybe is not making enough news but that you put in your piece that backs up a hardline interpretation of the Constitution that would theoretically ban abortion nationally.

The platform states, "We believe that the 14th amendment to the Constitution of the United States guarantees that no person can be denied life or liberty without due process and that the states are, therefore, free to pass laws protecting those rights." That's the actual language from the platform. When they invoke the 14th Amendment guarantee that no person can be denied life without due process, there's a strong implication there, isn't there, that any abortion would be unconstitutional?

Erin Doherty: Yes, absolutely. I think that's what's made this platform really interesting. Because as the committee had been working on the platform, several anti-abortion activists had been really worried that they were going to soften their language. I think what's representative of your point that the mention of the 14th Amendment to the Constitution in this platform is, I think, many anti-abortion activists viewed that as a win and breathed a sigh of relief because they still see that the party is embracing this kind of hardline language, although it's less explicit perhaps than platforms in the past.

Brian Lehrer: Another piece because the abortion parts of the platform have been getting so much attention. I think number two on the list would be the immigration portion of the platform. Portions. There's a lot on immigration there and it all starts with seal the border. It calls the number of immigrants coming to the United States now an invasion. It promises the biggest mass deportation in US history. That's been making news.

Another aspect that you touch on is the echoing of Trump's frequent rhetoric, calling for the end to the weaponization of government and for promoting what he calls "election integrity." I think it's notable that the Republican platform basically says there shouldn't be early voting anymore and there shouldn't be mail-in voting anymore, except for absentees who are physically incapable of going to the polls, that sort of thing. It's like same-day, in-person voting. They would try to impose that as national policy, it sounds like.

Erin Doherty: Yes, which, again, this dance that I think the Republican Party is trying to do because we've even seen a little bit of a shift from former President Trump, this cycle where, obviously, in the past, 2020, he repeatedly railed against early voting and mail ballots suggesting falsely that that was election interference. This cycle has embraced early voting and has said that voters should vote early and often. Obviously, that's misleading. You can only cast one ballot.

I think that's a sign that he's realizing that that is an important way that voters vote. That's what he is saying. It also comes as the Republican Party and Trump himself continues to falsely claim that the 2020 presidential election was stolen. I think that that point shows that, one, the Republican Party is signaling that they're going to continue to fight what they call these election integrity issues.

Two, I think it reinforces that the Republican Party platform that was unveiled is now really just an extension of former President Trump's campaign platform. We see that in a lot of the language. It mimics his rhetoric with a lot of all-caps, for instance, which is how he often writes things. It's pretty much directly aligned with several of his stances. It just reinforces this idea that former President Trump is, obviously, kingmaker of the Republican Party right now. He's imposing all of his visions for the party in this platform.

Brian Lehrer: We're going to get to your breaking Nancy Pelosi news in just a minute. I see The New York Times, just in the last few minutes, has also dropped this as a breaking news story about what Pelosi is saying casting doubt on whether she supports President Biden staying in the race. We'll get to that. Also, something that you reported that George Stephanopoulos said after the interview that he's now apologizing for saying, but he can't unsay it.

Listeners, here's the call in question that I teased a minute ago as we won't just be on the breaking news here in the segment today. In addition to anything you want to say about these news stories of the Republican platform or the Biden candidacy, 212-433-WNYC for any of it, 212-433-9692. In our Brian Lehrer Show newsletter last week, we invited readers to respond to this statement, "Describe your essential political values in six words or less without using any of these general political labels, Democrat, Republican, left, right, liberal, conservative, or progressive."

Again, describe your essential political values in six words or less without using any of these general political labels, Democrat, republican, left, right, liberal, conservative, or progressive. 90 of you posted responses. We'll read some of those, but that was enough of an outpouring of thinking on this that we want to bring it onto the radio today and invite everyone listening now to do the same thing. A good exercise if nothing else in an election year.

Describe your essential political values in six words or less without using any of these general political labels, Democrat, Republican, left, right, liberal, conservative, or progressive. Who wants to say yours out loud? 212-433-WNYC, 212-433-9692. In fact, we did a word count of the responses that came in from the newsletter and here are the most common words. Well, you know what? I'm going to hold this for a minute. I'm not going to give you the most common words yet because I don't want to bias your responses.

Let's see what some of you come up with and then I'll read the most common words that people wrote in response to last Thursday's newsletter. 212-433-WNYC. Again, it can also be on the news from the Republican platform or the ongoing assessment of Joe Biden within the Democratic Party. 212-433-WNYC, 212-433-9692 with Erin Doherty, who is covering breaking news in the 2024 presidential campaign for Axios.

Erin, I'll let people in on a little behind-the-scenes communication that we had with your office before you came on. They warned us that sometime during this segment, they might have to pull you to cover breaking news. My question is, is that just a general warning because you are a breaking news reporter or is there something you're expecting momentarily?

Erin Doherty: [chuckles] I wish that there was big news coming. It's generally just the demands of the job. In this news cycle, it's pretty likely that something happens every 15 minutes that I have to jump on.

Brian Lehrer: It does seem like that. Okay, but nothing in particular, at least nothing you can tip us off to in advance. On the Biden situation, some people don't want to talk about it anymore, but the Democrats still seem to be figuring out whether to organize to push Biden harder to drop out of the race. This is active and evolving, like you say, almost every 15 minutes. They're all over the place.

Listeners, if you haven't heard this yet and you're in the New York, New Jersey area, a prominent New Jersey congresswoman who comes on the show regularly, Mikie Sherrill, reportedly came out last night for Biden to drop out. That's a big development, certainly in the New York area and nationally too, considering that Mikie Sherrill is a rising star in Congress.

At the same time, a prominent New York congressman, Jerrold Nadler, reversed himself from what had been earlier reported by NBC and said he's now with Biden. Also, The Wall Street Journal had a story last night about the push to remove Biden losing steam. Your latest article, Erin, from this morning is about Nancy Pelosi saying, "Time is running out for Biden to decide whether to stay in." Tell us more about the Nancy Pelosi story.

Erin Doherty: Former House speaker Nancy Pelosi went on warning Joe this morning. She said that when asked her thoughts on this evolving situation, she said, "It's up to the President to decide if he is going to continue his run for re-election." She also said that she and some of her Democratic colleagues have all been encouraging him to make that decision because "time is running short."

This is really an interesting statement given that President Biden has repeatedly insisted that he has made his decision. That decision according to him is that he is continuing his bid for re-election. President Biden, on Monday morning, sent a letter to congressional Democrats, saying that it's time to end the pressure on him to withdraw, which some Democrats on the Hill that we talked to got that as a message that, "You know what? This isn't going away. This is done and President Biden has made up his mind."

I think the Nancy Pelosi remarks this morning indicate that some lawmakers and people in Washington think that the situation has concluded in its current form. Nancy Pelosi's statement indicates that the door actually may still be open. Why this is particularly important coming from her is President Biden keeps a really, really close-knit group of advisors, and mainly his family members and his political advisors who have been around him for the decades that he's been in politics.

Nancy Pelosi is also one of just a few people who has sway over President Biden's decision-making. He trusts her judgment and trusts her political instincts. I think that this statement is really important to underscore that this may not be over yet. Something else that Nancy Pelosi said that we've been hearing a little bit is that these conversations should be on pause until the NATO conference ends this week.

President Biden has a press conference scheduled for tomorrow after the NATO convention on Thursday. I think that it's possible that we see these calls for President Biden to step aside, ramp up a bit after the NATO convention ends, at least that's what Nancy Pelosi suggested with her statement this morning. I think going back to your point, her statement basically enforces that there's been constant changes, but it still may not be concluded yet.

Brian Lehrer: For those of our listeners who are listening to Marketplace just before this program, they had a Democratic member of Congress who was saying unequivocally, Joe Biden is cognitively sound enough to beat Trump and to serve as president. I want to play a clip, though, again just covering the fact that Democrats are all over the place on this. A clip of Governor Gretchen Whitmer from Michigan on All Things Considered yesterday.

Whitmer is both a high official in the Biden campaign and one of those Democrats who gets mentioned most prominently as a possible replacement for Biden on the ticket if he does step aside. I'm going to play this clip from All Things Considered yesterday. The host is Juana Summers. You'll hear Juana ask Governor Whitmer a very direct question, the bottom-line question, and she doesn't answer it. Listen.

Juana Summers: Is he the best person to defeat Donald Trump? I just want to make sure I'm clear here.

Governor Gretchen Whitmer: Our choices on the ballot right now are President Biden and former President Trump. That is the binary choice in front of us. I am an enthusiastic supporter of President Biden and I'm going to work my tail off to make sure he gets a second term.

Brian Lehrer: She said she's an enthusiastic supporter of Biden and that he's on the ballot, but Juana Summers asked her that question twice. Neither time would she say explicitly that she thought he was the best person to defeat Trump. Do you find that telling?

Erin Doherty: I think that's in line with what several Democrats have said publicly. They obviously don't want to go against President Biden, particularly if he does stay on the ticket as he has insisted that he will. By casting public doubt on his candidacy right now, it could further fracture the Democratic Party ahead of November. Gretchen Whitmer has been very firm in trying to quash these rumors surrounding her as she's obviously been floated as a possible person to be on the ticket, given her strong national profile.

She has really rebuked any suggestions that she would be on the ticket. That is even for Democrats who may privately be considering what's next. They all are standing by President Biden in the current moment publicly in terms of not saying that he is not equipped to take on former President Trump aside, of course, from the Democrats that we have seen who have come out in support of President Biden stepping aside.

Brian Lehrer: Let's take a phone call from Ronan in Brooklyn who, I think, works on a Democratic candidate's political campaign. Ronan, you're on WNYC. Thank you for calling in. Hi.

Ronan: Hi. Brian, thank you for taking my call. I might get in huge trouble for making this call, but it's worth it to me because I care about the future of our democracy. How's that? Yes, I think President Biden, 100%, has to drop out of the race. I think campaign workers more than anybody else, we understand that as much as we can work our butts off to make the case for our candidate, it is the candidate who has to be able to make the case for themselves.

President Biden, unfortunately, has proven he cannot do that. He can make the case maybe to Democrats to stop coming out and telling him to drop out, but he cannot make the case to the broader American people that he needs the president that we need to have. He has to drop out. I think that the difficulty is us campaign workers know this better than anyone, but a lot of us don't want to come out and say this because we'll be retaliated against.

People who don't have that concern are elected officials who have the choice between courage and cowardice, honestly, frankly. I really appreciate those who have already come out and called him to drop out. I would hope that our leaders have courage. The Republican Party didn't. That's why they have Trump as their leader. The Democratic Party has the opportunity to prove that we have courage. That's why this is more than just about this election. It's also about whether or not people think the Democratic Party has courage.

Brian Lehrer: Can you say any more about what candidate you're working for and the context of what you're hearing from voters?

Ronan: That would, I think, just do more harm than good in terms of me and the race. I don't really need to name-drop anybody. Let's just say I'm not working for the Biden campaign. I'm not an employee of the Biden campaign. I do have a number of friends who are on the Biden campaign and other campaigns around the country though who are privately expressing these--

Brian Lehrer: You're working for a local candidate of some kind, right?

Ronan: Yes, I'm working for a Democratic campaign. I live in Brooklyn. I'm not working for Biden.

Brian Lehrer: All right. We will leave it there and not make you expose anything else that may hurt your chances of keeping your job or anything else. Ronan, thank you for calling in. Erin, now, I'm told that you do have to go, so I want to thank you very much. I can't wait to hear what it is that you're going to cover next. Erin Doherty from Axios is a political reporter covering breaking news and the 2024 presidential campaign. Erin, thanks a lot for joining us this morning.

Erin Doherty: Thank you so much for having me. I really appreciate it.

Brian Lehrer: Let's take another call on the Biden situation and then we're going to transition to your six words or less on your political values. Julie in Hastings, you're on WNYC. Hi, Julie.

Julie: Hi, Brian. Thanks so much. I'm really worried that the top-elected Democratic officials that feel they should support the President are buying into the White House delusion. We hear from the White House that this is the intelligentsia and the media elites that are exaggerating for sensational reasons his bad debate performance. Of course, that's not the case. That is an untruth. In fact, the majority of Americans and majority of Democrats polled since January opposed President Biden running for re-election. Then to see him frail at the debate was just the immediate cause.

Brian Lehrer: Right, though he's had three, I think we can say, cogent, four really, appearances since the debate. There was a campaign stop in Pennsylvania. There was the George Stephanopoulos interview. There was a Morning Joe MSNBC interview and yesterday's speech before the NATO leaders as they convened in Washington. That was a teleprompter speech, but nevertheless.

I think voicing the listeners who are more in the Biden camp and the Democrats should stop talking about this camp. The argument would be the opposite of what Pelosi said, right? If Pelosi said this morning that time is running out for Biden to decide whether he is going to stay in the race, time is also running out for all the other Democrats to decide if they're going to keep making a thing about it and keep forcing the media to cover it because, again, we're not making this up.

This is covering Democrats, prominent Democrats, Mikie Sherrill, other Democrats, Nancy Pelosi, who are casting doubt on whether Biden's the best person from here on in, that they also have to decide whether to push him out, accept his dare that he made on George Stephanopoulos, accept the dare to come publicly as a group and say, "Joe, we love you, but it's time to go," or shut up. You agree?

Julie: I just wish that the fact that the majority of Americans have never wanted him to run for re-election was in play, that somebody would mention it in all this discussion.

Brian Lehrer: Julie, thank you. Thank you for your call. I'm going to extend by one because James in Highland Park, I think, maybe has a suggestion for the Democrats' road out of this if I'm understanding you right. Hi, James.

James: Hello.

Brian Lehrer: Hello.

James: I have to pull over.

Brian Lehrer: Oh, driving in Jersey--

James: I have to pull over.

Brian Lehrer: All right. You know what we're going to do? In that case, we're going to take a break. We'll come back. We will put James on the air when he pulls over. We do ask that you not talk on the radio while driving. We know, obviously, talking in the car is a very common thing, but we take the position that it takes extra focus. This is not like, "Hon, what groceries would you like me to bring home?"

You're talking about world affairs or New York and New Jersey and Connecticut affairs that matter tremendously and that it would take too much focus for you to be live on this show and operate a motor vehicle at the same time. That's why we ask you if you are calling from your car, pull over before you go on the air. We'll take James in Highland Park and then we'll get to your six-word descriptions of your core political values that don't include the usual labels, Democrat, Republican, left, right, liberal, conservative, or progressive. Stay with us.

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Brian Lehrer: Brian Lehrer on WNYC. Let's see if James in Highland Park has successfully pulled over and is ready to talk. James, you're there?

James: Yes, I'm here and I'm safe.

Brian Lehrer: Good. Stay safe. You have an idea for the Dems, right?

James: Right. Right. My feeling is that I would like to see much more emphasis on Biden and Harris as a team. That's what the founders provided. We elected FDR when he was very old and weak. I think it's always been about competence, a competent Secretary of State, competence up and down the line. If we emphasize a chief executive leading a team that focus less on Biden, more on the team, and whatever happens over the next six months or four years, that transition can happen. That's the concept we should focus on.

Brian Lehrer: It's a very interesting idea to bring that more into the fore. I have heard it from some of the Democrats who are supporting Biden and just want all this conversation to stop. They say, "Remember how government actually works at the federal leadership level." The President doesn't do everything himself. He has a team of all these competent people, the cabinet secretaries, the vice president, others.

If he is hobbled at any given moment, the team is participating in making policy, responding to emergencies, yes, but even more so in the big picture of making long-term policy. Remember that it's a team. I think what's a little bit new in your suggestion is that instead of just focusing on Biden and trying to not have people talk too much about Kamala Harris, which has, I think, been their strategy all along even before the debate, that they emphasize the Biden-Harris team and just say, "Look, I think I'm in good-enough shape to lead for the next four years. If I'm not, the vice president is ready to step in," and just say that out loud. That's what you're suggesting, right?

James: Yes, and I think somewhere, Ron Klain was quoted as saying he wished they had featured Harris more prominently throughout the administration, throughout this term like Obama really gave a lot of credit to Biden as executive of DP. That's 2020 hindsight obviously. I think back when Biden was running in 20-

Brian Lehrer: '20.

James: -2020, he promised only one term, but it was also that idea of a strong DP was--

Brian Lehrer: Well, maybe he implied it. I don't think he promised one term. James, very interesting. Thank you very much. Just to close the loop on the one other thing we were going to mention with Erin Doherty from Axios before she had to go, a little Axios note on George Stephanopoulos finding this-- Sorry, it's here somewhere. Well, there's a George Stephanopoulos apology in the news for having told somebody, and I guess it got out, that he didn't think Biden was up to governing the next four years after that election.

That was an embarrassing and potentially damaging thing to get out after that interview, but just closing the loop on that that happened, and that Stephanopoulos is distancing himself from it. All right. Now, to the other part of this segment, your calls. We'll go really fast through this and take a bunch of people before our next segment where we have invited you to do what we did in our newsletter for our readers last week, and that's to describe your essential political values in six words or less without using any of the general political labels, Democrat, Republican, left, right, liberal, conservative, or progressive. Heather in Manhattan is going to start us off. Hi, Heather. Thanks for calling in.

Heather: Oh, hi. My six words were, "Taking care of our most vulnerable."

Brian Lehrer: Nice. Thank you very much. Andrea in Lower Manhattan, you're on WNYC. Hi, Andrea.

Andrea: Hi there. Thanks for taking my call. My six words are, "Compassionate and fair treatment for all."

Brian Lehrer: Thank you very much. Michael in Bethpage, you're on WNYC. Hi, Michael.

Michael: Hi. I'm on speaker. Is that okay?

Brian Lehrer: Yes, I hear you fine.

Michael: "Liberty, equality, fraternity, kindness, integration, and honesty."

Brian Lehrer: You got three French words, three English words. Very nice. There's a certain pattern, I'll comment on it in a minute, that's coming up here that also came up in your newsletter responses. Lee in the East Village, you're on WNYC. Hi, Lee.

Lee: Good morning, Brian. It's pragmatism with being pragmatic for the greater good. Do what works.

Brian Lehrer: Thank you very much. Laurie in Manhattan, you're on WNYC. Hello, Laurie.

Laurie: Hello. Let us naively support--

Brian Lehrer: Oops, I think I accidentally disconnected you, Laurie. Start over.

Laurie: "Let us naively support human decency."

Brian Lehrer: Very nice. Now, would you contrast yourself to the previous caller who leaned on pragmatism? You're saying-- Go ahead.

Laurie: I'm sorry. My attention, I probably was distracted at the moment. I did hear "pragmatism," but I don't know what else the gentleman said. Sorry.

Brian Lehrer: Oh, well, I'm just inviting you to react to whether you think pragmatism is the opposite of the naive idealism that you just articulated.

Laurie: Could be, yes.

Brian Lehrer: Okay. All right, Laurie. Thank you very much. David in Riverdale, you're on WNYC. Hi, David.

David: With all the talk about Democrats and Republicans and standing behind Joe Biden, my six words are, "Will independent voters vote for Joe?"

Brian Lehrer: Asking the question of the moment as your core political values. I'm going to poke you further, David. Are the core political values behind posing that question?

David: No, I fully support Joe. I would be glad to see him as our next president again re-elected, but I gravely fear that those who don't think about it as much as we do will just say, "Boy, he looked old."

Brian Lehrer: Thank you very much. Let's see who's left on this. Tom in Manhattan has six words for us. Hi, Tom.

Tom: Hi, Brian. Good morning. "Only intolerance is intolerable." Four words.

Brian Lehrer: Only intolerance is intolerable. Beautiful. Let's see. There are some coming in on text message. We'll read a few of these. Let's see. Oh, I thought we had a few. I apologize for this delay. I thought I had text in another feed. Here we go, "Pro-labor, anti-capitalist, environmentalist, humanist, pro-science, anti-religion." [chuckles] Do those hyphenated phrases count as one word each? Someone else, "Selfless service to all people, respect.'' Someone else's six words, "Social justice, human rights, no war."

Well, it's really interesting. We could do a part two of this one day where we talk about how those core values translate into policy because it is interesting to get down to core values. Looking at the word count from those of you who wrote in on this, so many people use the word "justice." So many people use the word "compassion." Those were among the top two. I was struck by how many people use the word "humility."

Nobody in the little caller block that we did just now used the word "humility," but it's so the opposite of what we usually hear from politicians themselves, right? "Only I can fix it," "I know what's best," "Follow me." What about in polarized times if we have humility as a core value in politics as we try to communicate effectively with each other to accomplish what many of you who called in said you would like to accomplish? Tolerance, compassion, social justice, and be pragmatic at the same time.

All right, just a little thought experiment there. Hope it was useful. Hope it was interesting. Thank you. We'll have a new question in tomorrow's newsletter. If you want to sign up, The Brian Lehrer Show newsletter goes out every Thursday afternoon. It's free, of course. You can sign up to get it in your inbox at wnyc.org/blnewsletter. Wnyc.org/blnewsletter. We turn the page. More to come in a minute. Stay with us.

 

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