Brian Lehrer: Now we continue our WNYC centennial series, 100 Years of 100 Things. This week we continue on the summary side with things number 11 and 12, 100 years of the Jersey Shore and 100 years of the Catskills. These go with our recent summer segments on 100 years of ice cream and 100 years of New York baseball. In addition to, of course, we're doing more serious ones that we've done in our first 10, 100 years of Republican presidential candidates when that convention was going on, 100 years of James Baldwin, born a century ago last week, and others. We have 90 to go, two per week for almost the next year on Mondays and Wednesdays.

Here we are with thing number 11, 100 years of the Jersey Shore, starting with Bruce Springsteen's growing up from his very first album 51 years ago. He's been around for most of the last 100 years of the Jersey Shore in the public eye. Greetings from Asbury Park was that album. Here on a Monday when the weather should be great for the boardwalk and great for the beach. I said great for the beach. Not like a certain day in August, 11 years ago, when Governor Chris Christie-- Oh, wait, no, this was 13 years ago- do my math- when Governor Chris Christie had one of his most famous news conference moments.

Governor Chris Christie: Again at eight o'clock tonight, the Garden State Parkway will close southbound from exit 98 south to be used exclusively then for emergency vehicles and if tomorrow we need to set up contraflow on the Garden State Parkway to continue the orderly evacuation of folks from the shore region in those counties that I discussed earlier. To folks again, I saw some of these news feeds that I've been watching upstairs of people sitting on the beach in Asbury Park. Get the hell off the beach in Asbury Park and get out. You're done. It's 4:30. You've maximized your tan. Get off the beach.

Brian Lehrer: No greetings to Asbury Park from Governor Chris Christie there. Remember that as Hurricane Irene was approaching on August 26, 2011. 100 years of the Jersey Shore. We'll invite your oral history calls in just a minute. We have two great guests, Deb Whitcraft, founder and president of the New Jersey Maritime Museum, and Emil Salvini. Some of you know he hosted Tales of the Jersey Shore on NJTV and in a podcast version, and is the author of several books on the history of the Jersey Shore, including Boardwalk Memories: Tales of the Jersey Shore. Deb and Emil, so great to have you. Thank you for joining us. Welcome to WNYC.

Deb Whitcraft: Thank you.

Emil Salvini: Thank you, Brian, for having us.

Brian Lehrer: Emil, 100 years ago.

Emil Salvini: Hi, Debbie.

Deb Whitcraft: Hello, Emil.

Brian Lehrer: Glad you know each other. You can go to lunch after the show.

Deb Whitcraft: We do. We go way back.

Emil Salvini: [crosstalk]

Brian Lehrer: 100 years ago, in 1924, Atlantic City was perhaps in its heyday. You said it became popular in the 1800s because of railroads. Can you start us off by making that connection between railroads and the rise of Atlantic City or the Jersey Shore generally?

Emil Salvini: Yes, sure, Brian. Atlantic City was located on Absecon Island on the Jersey Shore. At some point in the late 19th century, developers of railroads decided if they almost drew a straight line from Philadelphia to the coast to Absecon Island, they would have a direct route. All the property owners would prosper, and the railroads and people would be able to go to the shore for the first time in one day. They could get the railroad in Philadelphia and head out to Atlantic City, and it became America's playground almost overnight.

Brian Lehrer: What might we have found in Atlantic City in 1924, and who might we have found there? You've called it a resort for working people.

Emil Salvini: Yes, that's exactly right. A lot of people thought that it was a resort for the wealthy, but it really was a working people resort because these are the people that would-- I don't know if you've ever heard the term shoebies, but they were people who would leave for AC for the day. They packed their lunch in a shoebox, put it under the train seat, and the merchants didn't like it, but the first time, the day trippers could go back and forth. It really was a working man's resort.

Brian Lehrer: The merchants didn't like people bringing their lunches in shoebox because they weren't buying the vendors food.

Emil Salvini: Exactly. As the pier started to appear for, I think, the steel pier, for 10c, you can spend the day there. All of the attractions were free after you spent your dime. You could pretty much go out to the seashore and spend very little.

Brian Lehrer: Deb, you've told us off the air that the very first seaside resort was already gone by the 1920s, a place called Tucker's Island. Where was that? Can you tell us anything about its heyday or about its demise?

Deb Whitcraft: Well, Tucker's Island was actually inhabited, beginning in the 1740s, it was the very first seashore resort of New Jersey. Tucker's Island today actually exists underwater about a quarter mile off the southern end of Long Beach Island, which we call Holgate. Tucker's Island, in the 1700s, was on the bay side of Holgate and was inhabited by about 65 to 70 people. It had two hotels, the St. Albans and the Columbia, had a lifesaving station, a church, a schoolhouse. It was a very popular resort.

At one time, it was attached to Long Beach Island but then it became an island in itself. As I said, it now, due to erosion and the migration of billions of cubic yards of sand, the south end of Long Beach Island has shifted closer to the mainland. Tucker's Island, underwater, is in about 9 or 10ft of water on the north side of Beach Haven inlet. The lighthouse, by the way, fell into the sea in 1927.

Brian Lehrer: If things that prominent, some early seaside resorts and the lighthouse have fallen into the sea, as you put it, does that portend anything for the future? Does this relate to global warming? Do we tie 1924 to 2024 in that way?

Deb Whitcraft: Well, the Indians had it right. When the Indians used to come to these barrier islands, they came only to harvest the food, the sustenance that they needed, but they always retreated back to the mainland. We're not that smart, apparently, because every new storm, whether it's the '44 hurricane, the '62 nor'easter or superstorm Sandy, after these storms, we just build bigger and higher. It hasn't come to our minds that barrier islands were never meant to be developed. They are meant to be a protective barrier between the sea and the mainland communities. The Indians knew that. We're not that smart.

Brian Lehrer: listeners, as we do 100 years of 100 things, in this segment, we invite your oral history contributions. Who has a long enough family history with any place on the Jersey Shore to tell a story of how you or your parents or your grandparents have told you about seeing a change? 212-433-WNYC. A rise and fall or rise and rise story or anything else? 212-433-WNYC. Anybody own a house on a barrier island that is no longer a house, but something for the fishes to swim around? 212-433-9692.

Who has any kind of great Jersey Shore moment from your life that you'd like to share a story of any kind? Maybe that reflects something about the place or the culture of the place that you think would be an interesting minute of history on the radio. If you have an early Springsteen story, or do you love or hate the TV show Jersey Shore, or for that matter, any other Jersey Shore pop culture or whatever? Or maybe you were on the beach when Governor Christie told you to get the hell off before Hurricane Irene hit Asbury Park. It's your observations about Jersey Shore culture or how any shore community has changed or just a great story. 212-433-WNYC. Here on our WNYC Centennial series, 100 years of 100 things.

Thing number 11, 100 years of the Jersey Shore, 212-433-WNYC, 433-9692, with Deb Whitcraft, president of the New Jersey Maritime Museum, and Emil Salvini, who has hosted the TV show and podcast Tales of the Jersey Shore and has written shore history books, including Boardwalk Memories: Tales of the Jersey Shore. Emil, I see your Jersey Shore base is in Cape May, and you started down the path of being a Jersey Shore historian because your family had a cottage there. Do you want to tell us any of your own relationship to Cape May or how that got you curious about the history?

Emil Salvini: Oh, yes, definitely, Brian. We purchased a cottage there for the family back in the eighties and was built in 1905, and it got my interest up. My wife used to tease me whatever town we lived in. I ended up researching and writing a history about it. I started looking into Cape May, which a lot of people don't realize the town is a historic landmark, a national historic landmark with over 600 Victorian structures. I just got hooked. One of my additional books is called The Summer City by the Sea, and that is about Kate May.

As I researched the house and who owned it before us and things like that, I started doing the entire history of Cape May, and then I moved up the shore. Usually people in North Jersey and New York, we say we're going down the shore, but I went up the shore. Cape May is very interesting

Brian Lehrer: Finish your thought. Emil. I'm sorry.

Emil Salvini: I was just saying that it's an amazing place. It's the first boardwalk on the Jersey coast, although Atlantic City was a few years later. It had the first large crowds because people accessed it through the sea, one before there were railroads, so it was the first resort along the Jersey coast.

Brian Lehrer: Where'd the boardwalk come from? How old is that idea?

Emil Salvini: Oh, well, that goes back to the Atlantic City and Cape May. As the railroads became popular and the Pullman cars were plush and the hotels were getting nicer, their big problem was sand. Sand was sticking to their shoes. Anybody who's experienced that knows what that's like. They came up with the concept of a boardwalk. It literally was laying boards along the shoreline, and in the winter, moving those boards, it was portable up to higher ground, and little by little, they kept building them. Atlantic City, right now, it's the fifth and final boardwalk that's there, and it's 5 miles long, the shortest boardwalk in New Jersey is 200ft. I'd like to say, if you line them up end to end, they're 32 miles of boardwalk.

Brian Lehrer: There you go. Again, I'll remind people, Deb Whitcraft is founder and president of the New Jersey Maritime Museum. Where is the museum? What would people see there?

Deb Whitcraft: The New Jersey Maritime Museum is in Beach Haven on Long Beach Island, about almost seven miles south on Long Beach Island when you come over the bridge and make a right-hand turn. By the way, when Emil was talking about boardwalks, we used to have a boardwalk in Beach Haven, but it was washed away during the 1944 hurricane and it was never rebuilt.

Brian Lehrer: Here's a tidbit we got from you, Deb. The phrase "the real McCoy" to describe something authentic and of quality originated around the Jersey Shore in the prohibition era. I didn't know that until you told my producer and she told me. Want to tell that story?

Deb Whitcraft: Oh, yes. Bill McCoy was a very charismatic, good-looking man who, during the years of prohibition, he was a Jersey rum runner. Unfortunately, back in the early '30s, rum runners often diluted their booze with all kinds of poisonous liquids, including formaldehyde.

Well, William McCoy would sell his alcohol undiluted. Of course, they diluted it to increase their profits, but they coined the term the real McCoy, so that if you bought your alcohol from Bill McCoy, you didn't have to worry about bathtub gin or being poisoned by it, because he never diluted it. They coined the term the real McCoy.

Brian Lehrer: You were laughing there, Emil. You want to add something about the real McCoy or prohibition?

Emil Salvini: No, just that Deborah always has these wonderful stories about the coastline and these old sayings that sometimes-- All the research I've done, I haven't heard. I'm glad she shared it with everybody in your audience.

Brian Lehrer: Jerry, now of Manhattan, you're on WNYC. Hi, Jerry.

Jerry: Hi, Brian. I'm a longtime fan, first-time caller. I'm probably a little nervous. I had an Italian family in New Jersey. We lived in Cliffside Park. My dad will take the family every year from the time I was five years old to Belmar or to Asbury Park. We would rent a little bungalow cottage down there for either a week or two weeks. We'd go to Asbury Park for all the rides. We would go to the beach on Belmar, which has a very deep, white, sandy beach that's really beautiful compared to black places in Florida. We would spend the week or two there just enjoying it going to the beach every day, great restaurants, those famous New Jersey diners. I have so many fond memories of that.

My dad died when I was 19, and when I got out of college, I went with three of my buddies and we rented a bungalow right in Belmar. At that time, we drove to the Stone Pony because we heard Pete Fornital had this new artist he liked called Bruce Springsteen. We went into the stone pony.

Brian Lehrer: Fornitel was a DJ, for people who don't know. Go ahead. Yep.

Jerry: We heard the E Street band and Bruce. We stayed for two sets and couldn't believe their energy and their high vibes. We wound up buying beers for Bruce and the guys. He wasn't a teetotaler then. They reciprocated by buying us beers. We sat there during their breaks saying, "You guys are going to be big stars. Just keep it up. You are great." "Oh, thank you, man. Thank you," Bruce would say. He was very shy when he wasn't singing.

Just brilliant memories I have of the Jersey Shore. Asbury. I told your producer that between Asbury and Belmar is in a little town. I'm sorry, I can't remember it. I think I'm nervous, but they had a hotel where you could get a meal in the late '70s for like $1.50. It could be like steak and mashed potatoes, vegetables, cake and coffee, all for $1.50. God, I wish I could remember the name.

Brian Lehrer: $1.50 steak. Jerry, thank you very much. You did great. How about that? A Bruce Springsteen before he was famous story. Let's go next to Ken, Stamford. You're on WNYC. Hi, Ken.

Ken: Hi, how are you? My mom was born in Atlantic City in 1917. She had an older brother. Her parents had a very successful large auction gallery called the Boardwalk Auction Gallery. Very different. We went to Atlantic City, our family from many- '50s, '60s, in the '50s and '60s, there was a lot of honky tonk junk, but this was a very, very elegant auction gallery. People came from all over the East Coast, high-end furniture, antique furniture, jewelry, things like that.

As it turns out, I guess that was in the '20s. To be successful then, you had to have some contact with a man who was in Boardwalk Empire, Enoch Johnson. Apparently, I found out much later that they were friends. The family, her parents or her father especially, were friends with him. Now, Boardwalk Empire, although a wonderful, wonderful show and the depiction of Atlantic City, apparently Johnson was nowhere near as violent as the film makes out, but apparently my grandparents traveled in the summers, but they rented-- They had a large house on Plaza Place near the bayou, and they rented it to Nookie Johnson in the, in the summers, interestingly enough.

My mom was very, very beautiful, and she became, I think as a teen, there was a contest, Miss Atlantic City or something like that. The steel pier had this contest. In addition, I'm trying to think what else. Oh, her brother got into journalism and had a newspaper for a while called the Atlantic City Press.

Another anecdote which isn't connected to family. In 1980 or so, I met a man named Mr. Toll in Palm Beach. He and his partner, who had run the Holiday Inn, as Atlantic City declined in the '50s and '60s, they bought up all the property on the boardwalk. I think they were lawyers. They were regarded as morons. People said, what's going on? They're decrepit boarding houses, whatever.

Well, they ended up in the '80s, when I met this gentleman, he was in his 80s, he owned. He and his partner did not sell the land to the casinos. He owned all the land and rented it to the casinos. In that time, I think he was making hundreds of thousands of dollars a day. I think they became the Toll Brothers Family, or the Toll Gallery. I think was their [unintelligible 00:20:24]. At any rate, just an interesting anecdote.

Brian Lehrer: Toll Brothers developers. They're great stories, Ken. Thank you very much. By the way, before it gets too far away from the previous caller, a listener texts that they think they know the name of the restaurant that the caller, Jerry, mentioned where they sold $1.50 steaks and he couldn't remember it. The texter thinks, the caller was talking about the Sampler Inn in Ocean Grove and writes that it burned down in the '90s.

Emil, anything from that last caller spark anything for you as a Jersey Shore historian? Maybe the historical accuracy of anything in Boardwalk Empire or anything else Ken said?

Emil Salvini: Well, well, sure. Enoch was part of the political empire with Jersey City's Frank "I am the law: Hague. They really ruled Atlantic City for a time, and naturally, Frank, Jersey City. I did think of a great Belmar story of interest at the boardwalk. That fellow mentioned Belmar. I had done a show on the Belmar boardwalk. The mayor was wonderful. He introduced me to the engineer for the boardwalk. They had just finished completing it in treks, which is impregnated plastic wood, so it'll last 100 years.

The next year I got a call from him and he said, "You remember that beautiful boardwalk that you filmed on?" I said, "Yes." He said, "It's gone." That was right after Sandy. He said the whole thing just washed into the ocean. When I think of Belmar, I think of that story. He was brokenhearted.

Brian Lehrer: Deb, you were talking about prohibition before and the runners. I think Mark in Long Island City has a family story from that era. Mark, you're on WNYC. Thank you for calling in.

Mark: Hi, Brian. Good morning. How are you?

Brian Lehrer: Okay

Mark: Yes. Just a quick funny story. My great-grandfather, he emigrated from what was then the Austro-Hungarian empire, and he was trained as a leather tanner, so he ended up as a bootlegger for the Jewish mafia because he was allowed to still manufacture alcohol. We had a house on the Jersey Shore in West End, and there were wild grapes growing in the backyard from when he had made the alcohol.

Brian Lehrer: That's a story, Deb, a person who at least heard about his great-grandfather being involved in that. Then the grapes for the illegal alcohol were still growing on the property.

Deb Whitcraft: [chuckles] That's a great story.

Brian Lehrer: Deb. I see that one of the things that people can learn at your museum is about shipwrecks off the Jersey Shore. You say there have been more than off any other coastal state. Really? If so, why?

Deb Whitcraft: Brian, the coast of New Jersey, as you know, extends 127 miles between Sandy Hook and Cape May. New Jersey has more shipwrecks off its coast than any other state in the entire country, including the Carolinas. It truly is the graveyard of the Atlantic. Of course, there's a number of factors that contribute to this number, but for over 200 years, the ports of New York and Philadelphia were two of the world's major centers of shipborne commerce.

Back 100 years, 200 years ago, they didn't have the navigational aids that we have today. Just the bow-like configuration of the coast and the constant change in shoaling precipitated so many of these disasters, but we have over 7200 shipwrecks off the New Jersey coast. Thank God, because the divers bring us thousands of artifacts from these shipwrecks that they donate so that members of the non-diving community can see what's off the Jersey coast.

Brian Lehrer: In fact, a listener texts, "My grandmother was working on the Asbury Park boardwalk at an ice cream parlor in 1934 when the SS Morrow Castle washed out on the shore." By the way, several more people texting to say that the restaurant that the earlier caller was trying to remember probably is the Sampler Inn in Ocean Grove. A number of shout-outs to that.

All right, we are in our WNYC Centennial series, 100 Years of 100 Things, thing number 11, today, 100 years of the Jersey Shore. On Wednesday, it'll be 100 years of the Catskills as we continue on summer destinations in the series, before getting back to political history segments next week when the Democratic convention is taking place, we'll keep taking your calls in this segment with your Jersey Shore family stories or observations about change at any Jersey Shore location that you've seen or experienced overtime or anything related. 212-433-WNYC. Call or text with our guests Deb Whitcraft, president of the New Jersey Maritime Museum, and Emil Salvini, who has hosted the TV show and podcast Tales of the Jersey Shore and has written Jersey Shore history books, including Boardwalk Memories: Tales of the Jersey Shore. We continue.

As we continue in our WNYC Centennial series, 100 Years of 100 Things thing number 11, 100 years of the Jersey Shore, with historians Deb Whitcraft and Emil Salvini, and your oral history calls at 212-433-9692. Catherine in Brick, you're on WNYC. Hi, Catherine.

Catherine: Hi, Brian. Thank you so much for taking my call. I apologize. You might hear my newborn daughter in the background making her radio debut.

Brian Lehrer: Yes.

Catherine: Yes. I'm a Bergen County native. I grew up going to Beach Haven. My family is from North Jersey and has a lot of history down the shore, but one of the reasons we wound up in Brick, or my parents did rather, is that when compared to a lot of the barrier islands and other shore towns, it's pretty climate-resilient. The flooding is not as bad here in extreme storms, that's, depends on where you are, but it is overall a little bit more climate resilient.

There's a lot of cool things coming here as well. Shout out to Icarus Brewing Company. One thing I see all around here is a heavy resistance to offshore wind and renewable energy, which would, of course, help the shore survive. As a millennial with a newborn daughter, I want to shout out, yes, it's great to hear about the history of the shore, but I don't want the shore to become history itself. We need these renewable energy projects. Thank you so much.

Brian Lehrer: Catherine, thank you so much. Deb and Emil, I'll get you on this, too, Catherine teased me up for exactly how I like to end a lot of these segments, which is, what do you think things are going to be like 100 years from now, Deb, for you, who's traced 100 years of maritime at the Jersey Shore in the maritime museum, including so many things that have been washed away, and you hear the caller, Catherine, concerned about the future.

Deb Whitcraft: Well, and she brings up some good points. Of course, it's a highly politicized topic. As a nonprofit organization, I try to stay out of it, but I actually agree with her. I think the future of Long Beach Island, especially the south end, Beach Haven and Holgate where I live, I think 100 years from now, it's not going to be here. The erosion and the shifting of all of these sands is speeding up. I actually think that much of Long Beach Island 100 years from now will not be here at all. It'll be like Tucker's Island.

Brian Lehrer: Emil?

Emil Salvini: Well, I could give you a quick example, Brian. South of Cape May, there's I call it a ghost town, but there was a town there of South Cape May, and that is all gone. It's underwater due to erosion. Every once in a while, you'll see a railroad track or a foundation appear, depending on if there was a storm or not. I, unfortunately, see a lot of the Jersey Shore ending up as South Cape May, so long gone since the 1940s.

Brian Lehrer: The caller talked about some of the nice things coming to where she is, but Deb, I think you mentioned something to us off the air about your concern that the Jersey Shore, which we've talked about in the context of being a summer destination for working families, is becoming like the Hampton South. How much are you seeing that?

Deb Whitcraft: It's an understatement. It is truly the Hampton South. I've lived here all my life. I'm 69 years old, and the average middle-class working family cannot afford to come to Long Beach Island and pay such exorbitant, outrageous rents for what they get. Personally, if I didn't live here, I would never spend the money some of these people are spending to have a week here on Long Beach Island. I'm sorry to have to say that, but we've become a rich person's island, and I've seen it for 69 years. Although I love it here and will never leave except in a body bag, I can see that we are the hand south.

Brian Lehrer: Emil, maybe different neighborhoods or different areas of the shore for different incomes, or you think it's all becoming [crosstalk]?

Emil Salvini: Yes, it really is. I mean, giving Cape May as an example, the homes there are ridiculously priced at this point, the old Victorians. They not only need a lot of work, Brian, but there's a historical commission down there which ensures that they keep their landmark status. You cannot do anything to the outside of your home without going before the commission. Inside, they don't have anything to do with, and they don't care what color you paint it, but you can't put up a fence or anything without going to them. It gets very expensive to live there on top of the entry price to even buy a home.

Brian Lehrer: For the vacationers who aren't trying to buy?

Emil Salvini: Very, very expensive. We never rented our cottage, but I'm constantly being put in touch with realtors that are saying, "Do you realize how much you get a week for this?" I think it's getting very pricey for people that just want to stay down there because it's this of his distance, Brian, people stay down there for a week or two weeks. It's not something you usually go down for the weekend.

Brian Lehrer: It's in contrast, I think, to a memory we're going to hear from Patty now of another shore town, Merrick on Long Island. You're on WNYC, Patty. Hi.

Patty: Hi. I am from Merrick, but I grew up in New Jersey, and I thank you for focusing on the Jersey Shore. It's one of your topics. I am 81 years old, and from the time I was born, my family owned a bungalow in Manasquan. In fact, it was on one street, and then it was moved down several blocks to the same street. It was just sitting up on blocks. I'm a family of six children and both parents, and we had the most wonderful, wonderful memories of our time in Manasquan. It was a very or mostly or a lot of working-class people. There were some larger homes, but ours was definitely a bungalow.

We could fit as many as 30-some people overnight when the whole crowd came. We had large weeds in our backyard, and we would play hide and seek for hours. It was just magnificent. I'm sorry to hear that things are so expensive there, but I do know that this bungalow still exists because a few years ago, I went and checked it out and I mentioned to the present owners how many people we would have there, and they said, yes, the same thing is still going on here. I wish everybody had such a magical place to spend time in the summer. Thank you.

Brian Lehrer: Wonderful. Thank you. Wonderful memories, wonderful story. Let me go right to Kim in Middletown, Jersey. You're on WNYC. Hi, Kim.

Kim: Hi, Brian. I'm so excited. My husband and I are just the biggest fans. I just wanted to say you really can't talk about the Jersey Shore without mentioning Brian Kirk and the Jerks. They're a band that's been entertaining crowds for at least 30 years in Seabright and beyond. He's an old friend of mine from high school, and I'm just so happy. He's a local celeb.

Brian Lehrer: Kim, thank you.

Kim: I'm sure people have lots of memories of his performances.

Brian Lehrer: Emil, a Jersey Shore band not called Bruce Springsteen and the E Street Band.

Emil Salvini: Not one in particular, but there is a bar called the Rusty Nail, which I love in Cape May. They've got great local music and musicians every weekend, but I can't name really one in particular.

Brian Lehrer: You got any pop culture, Deb, that's not Bruce and I guess after that last caller, not Brian Kirk and the Jerks, or not music for that matter?

Deb Whitcraft: [chuckles] On Long Beach Island, we used to have the Joe Pop Shore Bar, and we had some quite well-known entertainers like Tiny Tim. It was a big deal. We had the wharf rats at Bay Village and Schooner's Wharf. Sadly, Schooner's Wharf, that attracts so many tourists and visitors, it's on the market now for, I think, $7.2 million. It'll probably end up to be another condominium project, but at one time, we had some excellent entertainers who became quite famous from Long Beach Island.

Brian Lehrer: There we leave it. 100 years of 100 things, thing number 11, 100 years of the Jersey Shore with Deb Whitcraft, founder and president of the New Jersey Maritime Museum, and Emil Salvini, who hosted Tales of the Jersey Shore on NJTV and in the podcast version, and is author of several books on the history of the Jersey Shore, including Boardwalk Memories: Tales of the Jersey Shore. This was so much fun for me, for our callers. I hope you two enjoyed it. Thank you so much for joining us.

Emil Salvini: Thank you, Brian.

Deb Whitcraft: Thank you.

Brian Lehrer: Wednesday thing 12, 100 years of the Catskills. Brian Lehrer on WNYC. Stay tuned for Alison.

 

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