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Janae Pierre: Welcome to NYC NOW. I'm Janae Pierre. A long winter, new music shows, and the Tin Building becomes a balloon museum? That's all ahead in this week's Arts & Culture Check In. First, here's what's happening in New York City. A stalled proposal for a massive housing project in Queens is getting new life after Mayor Zohran Mamdani's White House visit this week. Mamdani and President Trump met to talk about housing in their second Oval Office meeting.

A spokesperson for the mayor said the two discussed how Trump could help the city build 12,000 housing units, although he did not specify the location. However, three sources briefed on the meeting who were not authorized to speak told WNYC that Mamdani pitched a new development at Sunnyside Yards. It's a De Blasio-era proposal that stalled under the Adams administration. Mamdani shared a photo of him with the president holding mock front pages. One reads, "Trump to City: Let's Build," a riff on the classic, "Ford to City: Drop Dead."

Federal data shows ICE has held over 120 children in controversial hold rooms in Lower Manhattan under President Trump. Conditions in hold rooms at 26 Federal Plaza have been called inhumane in court filings from detainees. They cite inadequate food, overcrowding, and lack of hygiene products. ICE's own internal rules generally prohibit holding children there unless they pose a safety risk. More than 5,400 people have been held at the site this year. That already surpasses totals for the entire four years of the previous administration. The Department of Homeland Security did not respond to a request for comment.

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Janae Pierre: It's the Year of the Horse in the lunar calendar, and people will be celebrating this Sunday at the annual Lunar New Year Parade in Manhattan's Chinatown. If you don't have plans yet this weekend, consider catching the parade at Mott and Canal streets. Festivities kick off at 1:00 in the afternoon. There will be lion dances and percussive instruments along the route, which ends near Sara D. Roosevelt Park on Forsyth Street. Sounds like a lot of fun, doesn't it? Speaking of fun, coming up, we check in with our Arts & Culture desk to see what's happening in our region. That's after the break.

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Janae Pierre: A long winter, new music to check out in the month of March, and the Tin Building becomes a museum?

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Janae Pierre: That's all ahead on the Arts & Culture Check In with our Arts & Culture editor, Matthew Schnipper. What's up, Matt?

Matthew Schnipper: Hi, Janae. Thanks for having me.

Janae Pierre: Happy to have you all the time.

Matthew Schnipper: What is up? Snow? Who wants to talk about this? They wanted to go. We wanted to go away. Nobody wants to hear about it. I had this experience where I was like, "All right, sun's going to be shining this week," after Tuesday's just blizzard nightmare. Then I woke up on Wednesday, and it was snowing again. I just was like--

Janae Pierre: What the--

Matthew Schnipper: Literally, I said out loud. I said, "Are you kidding me?" It was like I was getting trolled by Mother Nature. I was like, "I'm getting trolled by the stratosphere or whatever." Where does snow come from? Clouds, not the stratosphere.

Janae Pierre: [chuckles] I'm like, "I don't know," but I do know--

Matthew Schnipper: That's why I'm in culture, not a meteorologist.

Janae Pierre: No, but I know that your desk has been working on some reporting about how long this winter feels.

Matthew Schnipper: Yes, we were talking about how to cover the snowstorm. Obviously, Gothamist and WNYC brings you lots of news about how to move around in the snow, how much snow is coming, when it is coming. We also went, "Man, this blows." This is what I'm feeling, what people talking about. People are like, "Okay, I need to know. Is there school or not? Is the subway running?" Yes, but also, when people talk, they kind of go, "Dude, not anymore of this."

Janae Pierre: Not again.

Matthew Schnipper: Not again.

Janae Pierre: Not again.

Matthew Schnipper: Our reporter, Hannah Frishberg, contacted a couple of therapists. She said, "Are we making this up, or is this worse than usual?"

Janae Pierre: As a person who often deals with seasonal depression, I can only imagine what that reporting was like for her.

Matthew Schnipper: Hannah found out from talking to one of these therapists who said, "Yes, people are bummed. Not only are patients, all the therapists are bummed," which I thought, I was like, "All right, this is pretty universal." Both of the therapists that she spoke to said 100%, this is just so much more of a thing in their conversations with patients than it has been in seasons past. It absolutely has been keeping people down in a way that they found-- I don't want to say insurmountable, but near to it. They were like, "Yes, it just keeps coming. We're not in control of this, and it's going to continue to happen."

Janae Pierre: What you can be in control of is how much you use your vitamin D supplements, so keep that handy.

Matthew Schnipper: Yes, I started taking vitamin D two weeks ago. I've never taken it before. I was like, "Maybe this is going to help. It's not going to hurt." I got some capsules. They have sunshine on them. For those listening who aren't aware, vitamin D is a nutrient you get from the sun. I think it helps with your muscles, your bones. I think it helps for your brain from not breaking, basically. You can get this in pill form. I'm just doubling the daily amount because I think I have been pretty down and out, looking particularly pale.

Janae Pierre: Oh, my goodness.

Matthew Schnipper: Feeling particularly pale, actually, so I'm going hard on that.

Janae Pierre: Matt, what else is keeping you from being SAD this winter?

Matthew Schnipper: SAD is a sort of unfunny acronym. Whoever came up with that, I think, gets some booze, but it is short for seasonal affective disorder, which basically means you're bummed in the wintertime. I suppose it's seasonal. It could be neutral. Maybe there are some people somewhere who are bummed in the summer, but I doubt it. My downstairs neighbors. Shout-out to Nick and Amy. They have a thing called a SAD lamp, basically, which is a flat screen that pumps out faux sunshine.

They have a flat-screen TV, wall-sized of SAD lamps. They turn this thing on, and it's incredible. The whole room is just glowing. I want to get one of those for myself, but I've enjoyed going down to my downstairs neighbor's house and basking in their SAD glow. The other thing that I've been doing, I would say my consistent single source of happiness, and I did do this this weekend, is just watching Traitors to keep myself warm.

Janae Pierre: Oh, my goodness, love Traitors.

Matthew Schnipper: If you haven't done that this winter, I would say subscribe to Peacock. You can cancel it after you watch all Traitors.

Janae Pierre: Yes, you can.

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Matthew Schnipper: I did cancel it after last season.

Janae Pierre: You're not faithful.

Matthew Schnipper: [laughs] For those of you who are Traitors fans, I would be out immediately as a Traitor.

Janae Pierre: Same. I would be so stressed out. It's insane.

Matthew Schnipper: I've been watching Traitors. Now, I'm waiting for, I think, the last episode this coming week, which I'm excited and stressed about.

Janae Pierre: Same. I hope you know who gets you know what.

Matthew Schnipper: Yes. Are you up to date?

Janae Pierre: Yes.

Matthew Schnipper: Oh, man.

Janae Pierre: I just don't want to spoil it for anyone else.

Matthew Schnipper: All right. Rest in peace, Dorinda, though.

Janae Pierre: RIP to all my housewives.

Matthew Schnipper: Yes.

Janae Pierre: So sad. I was rooting for each and every one of them.

Matthew Schnipper: Each and every one of them. My God.

Janae Pierre: For folks who don't have a SAD lamp or who don't have Peacock and really could use some help this winter, as it still goes on, is there a hotline or number they can call, talk to someone?

Matthew Schnipper: Yes, Janae, there is a number you can call. You can call 988, which is a mental health support hotline, and talk to somebody who can help you figure out how to get the help you need.

Janae Pierre: You know, Matt, February has come and gone. It's already over. That means that there's a new list of music concerts that we can check out in March?

Matthew Schnipper: Yes, we have, thank you to music writer Hank Shteamer, a great list of shows coming up in March. Honestly, we had trouble narrowing it down. There is a ton of music coming up to see this month. I've got tickets, actually, to a few things already.

Janae Pierre: Okay, date night.

Matthew Schnipper: Babysitter's set, and I'm actually pretty stoked. It's a pretty vast array of stuff happening.

Janae Pierre: Okay, who should we check out?

Matthew Schnipper: I will shout out quickly. This isn't in our list because it was just too obvious, I think, for a lot of people, because you're going to go. You're not. Lady Gaga is going to be playing.

Janae Pierre: Come on, now.

Matthew Schnipper: To all the monsters out there waiting. Are you a big Gaga fan?

Janae Pierre: I'm a Gaga fan. I wouldn't call myself a monster.

Matthew Schnipper: Is it a little monster, right?

Janae Pierre: I wouldn't call myself any kind of monster.

Matthew Schnipper: I'm not a music editor anymore, so I don't--

Janae Pierre: [laughs] All right, you.

Matthew Schnipper: Pause up here from our producer, okay. The littlest monster over there. I love it. Now, Mitski, who is an indie icon, I would say, is playing six shows at The Shed this month, which is a pretty serious run. She has a new album coming out. She has inspired a lot of passion from her fans. She's an amazing lyricist. I think as she has continued, her career has leaned further into a theatrical quality in her music and performances, so getting a lot of costuming, a lot of high drama. She's great. She's going to be at The Shed. I've seen her perform a couple of different times in different-sized venues.

She is intense, no matter what she does, in the best way. I'm not actually such a musical theater kind of person. That's not to say that she is bringing it in any sort of Broadway style, but she is a very-- I don't think it's unfair to say over-the-top performer. It's earnest, but it is with passion and verve, and to see her performing with a full theatrical backing as opposed to seeing her just with her band. To really see her have the space to open it up, be creative, and bring along people beside her who are going to be echoing her vibe, I think those are going to be really interesting shows.

Janae Pierre: That should be really cool.

Matthew Schnipper: It'd be really cool.

Janae Pierre: Love a high-energy show, love an over-the-top artist, so, yes, definitely a cool one.

Matthew Schnipper: I love her.

Janae Pierre: Who else?

Matthew Schnipper: Separate from that, there is a festival that happens in New Jersey in July called Dripping. It happens on the grounds of a Renaissance Faire. It's a kind of techno-forward festival, but they have live music. The folks who put that on also have an ongoing performance series at the club, Nowadays, in Queens.

Janae Pierre: Love that spot.

Matthew Schnipper: Near Nowadays, at a still unannounced venue, they're actually running a three-night run called "Planetarium," where they're going to be having a bunch of different ambient music where you can go and lay down and chill out. They're going to have some really subtle live performances. The woman, Elori Saxl, who I think is just fantastic, is going to be playing.

She's a composer. She's done some soundtracks. She just put out a new album of improvised music with a saxophone player called Henry Solomon. It's excellent. She knows how to bring some real texture and passion to the ambient music that she's done. I think that is going to be a really nice way to both zone in and zone out. Sometimes, one of those things where the quietest music can actually have the most texture, so you can find yourself both relaxing but focusing on the little nuggets of sound.

Janae Pierre: Yes, and did I hear you say, people will be laying out?

Matthew Schnipper: Why would you not be? Who wants to be vertical when you're listening to music?

Janae Pierre: All right, any other vertical shows that we can check on?

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Matthew Schnipper: I think Sun Ra Arkestra. For those who are not familiar with Sun Ra, he is a legendary jazz keyboardist who passed some time. His group, featuring the, I believe, now 100-year-old saxophone player Marshall Allen, is still very regularly performing, which is amazing. Marshall Allen, I've seen him play not so long ago. He's still a powerhouse.

Janae Pierre: Really?

Matthew Schnipper: He looks great. He's in great shape. What he has coming out of the instrument, it's hard for anybody to get out of a saxophone for a 100-year-old musician to be blaring with that kind of fire is awesome. I don't mean to imply that 100 is old, but who knows how long he's going to be around.

Janae Pierre: Keep it real. 100 is old.

Matthew Schnipper: He is old, and he is a real legend. If you have not seen him, go see him. He's playing at TV Eye on March 11th with the whole orchestra. They are still enrobed. They're a great, fun, amazing group to see.

Janae Pierre: Nice.

Matthew Schnipper: Right now, on PBS also is a documentary, I think, in American Masters about Sun Ra that is really worth watching.

Janae Pierre: Okay, will do.

Matthew Schnipper: It's great.

Janae Pierre: Anything for our house music lovers.

Matthew Schnipper: Yes. If you are a house music fan in New York City, chances are pretty good you have been to a Shelter party. The DJ, Timmy Regisford, has been throwing this party. It was a club in Tribeca in the past. Now, it's a kind of roving party. He plays a lot of different kinds of genres. He plays Latin music. He'll play pop and R&B, but he plays eternal-sounding music, stuff that really transcends time and space, and that just feels levitating music. I think that's the best kind of thing that house music can do to you.

Janae Pierre: Yes.

Matthew Schnipper: There is an anniversary for Shelter, a 35th anniversary party that's happening actually over two nights. One night at the 3 Dollar Bill-

Janae Pierre: Love that spot.

Matthew Schnipper: -venue in Greenpoint, and then again at Public Records, where he is a resident the next night. Those are happening in early March. On Gothamist, we actually have an interview that should be up tomorrow with Timmy about the history of Shelter, but also about how DJing has changed in New York, how club culture has changed, what keeps him interested, and how he stays up to date. It's really interesting.

He talked a lot about how the idea of this 12-hour DJ set isn't prevalent anymore. One thing he also talks about is drug and alcohol have not been welcomed at his parties. People have always drunk Gatorade. Phones are not allowed on the dance floor because there is a little bit, honestly, of giving up. You're not going to have a drink there. You're not going to be checking your phone. You do need to submit a little bit, but it also means that everybody around you has done the same thing.

Janae Pierre: Yes, 35 years is a long time. That's even longer than Mayor Mamdani has been alive.

Matthew Schnipper: [laughs]

Janae Pierre: Speaking of Mamdani, I know that you have been keeping up with his cultural references, and I want to share a quote. As George Orwell wrote nearly 80 years ago, "They compel us to reject the evidence of our eyes and our ears." When did Mayor Mamdani say that, and where was he?

Matthew Schnipper: Mamdani was talking about Nineteen Eighty-Four. He was quoting Nineteen Eighty-Four when he was talking about the shootings of Alex Pretti and Renée Good, and just the pushback from Kristi Noem and other people in the Trump administration to say, "Okay, what you saw is not what you have seen. This was a shooting that happened because of X, not because of Y," and the, I think, forced-- [sighs] I hesitate to use this word, but almost gaslighting that people have felt when going, "Hey, look, I saw 17 videos of this. It looked like this." Then the government saying-

Janae Pierre: No.

Matthew Schnipper: -"No, it looked like this. You're wrong." Mamdani couldn't explain that himself. I thought what was interesting about using Orwell to do this is think about how canonized Orwell is. Nineteen Eighty-Four, this is a book you read in high school. These are things that we go, "Oh, my God, Big Brother was invented in this book." He's using the heft of Orwell to say, "Okay, you don't even have to believe me, Mamdani. Believe this guy." He said it so well that every high school student in America is reading this as a warning sign. The same thing has been talked about, and we've all gone, "Okay, we need to absorb this lesson."

I thought that Mamdani picked that out and said, "You don't have to believe me. Believe this guy who's given you this warning decades and decades and decades ago." I thought that was very smart that he chose to invoke Orwell. It was at an interfaith breakfast in early February. He gave a speech. This actually wasn't even the subject most of what he was talking about. He was talking, I think, largely about Ramadan coming up and being excited to be-- Honestly, it was a pretty joyous speech, but he felt like he needed to take a moment to address what was going on.

Janae Pierre: One story that I found very interesting that came off of the Arts & Culture desk this week, the Tin Building is now becoming a museum?

Matthew Schnipper: A balloon museum.

Janae Pierre: [laughs] That's wild to me.

Matthew Schnipper: Yes.

Janae Pierre: From oysters to balloons.

Matthew Schnipper: Oysters to balloons. One man's delicacy is another man's balloon.

Janae Pierre: Tell us more about this story.

Matthew Schnipper: The Tin Building is a food hall that has been opened by Jean-Georges with some financial backing from others. It just basically has not worked. It's not been open very long. They were losing, I forget what, six figure some a day.

Janae Pierre: There were more workers there than actual people.

Matthew Schnipper: Yes, food critics would know better than me, but it does make me think. These people see the ghost kitchen and the idea of the food hall. Honestly, I still feel like this makes you seem like you're going to eat at the airport. Have you eaten at the Tin Building?

Janae Pierre: I haven't eaten there, but I did hang out there to watch the rain pass, and then I left. Just being honest.

Matthew Schnipper: That's what it's good for when you're down at a South Street seaport.

Janae Pierre: A dry spot.

Matthew Schnipper: This isn't what people want to eat. I think this is the kind of thing that you want to do when you're on your lunch break. That's the best you can get. I was at the airport. I was at LaGuardia. I went to Bubby's at LaGuardia. My daughter and I, we had pancakes. It was cute. I was delighted that it existed. Eating in a giant open space with 70 different restaurants that you want to go to is not a thing you're going to do on a Saturday.

Janae Pierre: I just wondered how much of a destination it would be. You're in New York City. Who's going out and saying, "Hey, guys, let's go to that food hall"?

Matthew Schnipper: Yes, what I'm bummed about is all the people who work there because they put a lot of effort, a lot of money behind this, and seem like, yes, this is going to be an anchor location for a new burgeoning, up-and-coming neighborhood," whatever kind of garbage real estate agent would say. It's not. People didn't want it. Basically, everybody is out.

Now, they've signed a lease for five years of balloon excitement. I love a balloon. You want to go to Balloon Saloon in Tribeca, like a long-standing, small business, go support that. We don't need this. Balloons were taken care of in New York. Balloon Saloon, order from them. They are great. Everyone will be delighted. Not this.

Janae Pierre: Before I let you go, Matt, there's one other story, the Center for Brooklyn History. Can you tell us a bit about that?

Matthew Schnipper: Yes, so I want to say go check out the story on Gothamist.com. Basically, the Brooklyn Public Library has some archivists who are going through-- The way they described it, it sounds basically like big boxes of junk that have been in storage in Upstate New York, which includes several locks of Alexander Hamilton's hair.

Janae Pierre: Fascinating to some of us. I'm sorry.

Matthew Schnipper: It's like if you went into an estate sale for Brooklyn history is what it sounds like. They're going, "Oh, what do we got here? What do we got here?" There was weird-looking fake heads from an old Coney Island ride. There are ceramic models of the Williamsburgh Savings Bank building. This stuff has just been sitting in storage forever. The archivists are going through everything, cataloging it, photographing it, cleaning it, measuring it, and they're going to put everything up on a, hopefully, soon-to-be revealed website so that you can go through and see what the history of the borough is.

Janae Pierre: What's the goal of this project?

Matthew Schnipper: To not have history be forgotten. Look, everyone has a storage space. Everybody's got a bunch of bins that they're like, "Yes, I'm going to go through this forever." Then, eventually, you go through it, or you let your lease on your storage space lapse, and all your stuff gets thrown away. Imagine if that was a borough. I think actually making sure that an entire giant part of our city's history is not just languishing is crucial.

Janae Pierre: All right. That's WNYC's Arts & Culture editor, Matthew Schnipper. Matt, thanks again.

Matthew Schnipper: Janae, thank you for having me. Always a pleasure.

Janae Pierre: Also, quick shout-out to Luther Vandross, Mariah Carey, and Wu-Tang Clan. They were all nominated for the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame, so that is really cool. All New York connections there.

Matthew Schnipper: That's very cool. All well-deserved.

Janae Pierre: Yes.

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Janae Pierre: All right, so my colleague, Matt, just ended that last segment talking about Brooklyn history, but let's discuss one national and historical figure. Civil rights leader, the Reverend Jesse Jackson, will be laid to rest this weekend. His life as a political activist impacted others to be the change they wanted to see, from New Yorkers like the Reverend Al Sharpton to Mayor Zohran Mamdani. It's safe to say they all stand on his shoulders. My colleague, Arun Venugopal, recently wrote about Jackson's impact on New York City for our news site, Gothamist, and he joins me now. Hey, Arun.

Arun Venugopal: Hey, Janae.

Janae Pierre: As a race and justice reporter yourself, what will you remember Jesse Jackson for?

Arun Venugopal: I grew up in suburban Texas. In the 1980s, which is when he really achieved a certain extraordinary level of prominence in the political world, I was not politicized. I was too young to really make sense of it, but all I could really sense in a very unaware way was that he was the inheritor of the civil rights movement. It was his cadence. He was statuesque, held himself very powerfully. As a kid, you absorb these things. He was a very impressive person. I remember him performing in the early '70s on Sesame Street. It's this incredible moment where he's standing before this big group of kids and having them participate in this call-and-response poem called I Am Somebody.

Jesse Jackson: I am.

Children: I am.

Jesse Jackson: Somebody.

Children: Somebody.

Jesse Jackson: I am.

Children: I am.

Jesse Jackson: Somebody.

Children: Somebody.

Arun Venugopal: It was just an extraordinary moment where he's really having them say these things like, "I am somebody. I may be poor, but I am somebody. I may be on welfare, but I am somebody." I think it's just really poignant.

Janae Pierre: Yes, I'll also always remember that, and I will always remember Jesse Jackson's famous words, "Keep hope alive." Love that. He spoke about that hope and what it takes to keep that hope during an interview on WNYC in 2019. Here's what he said.

Jesse Jackson: You only lose when you stop kicking, when you stop cutting water. We were still swimming, sometime underwater. Never won a battle unless we fought. We fight back, we win. Therein lies the hope.

Janae Pierre: He's saying there, "You only lose when you stop kicking, when you stop cutting water. We were still swimming, sometimes underwater." Arun, what do you make of that?

Arun Venugopal: Here we are. We're marking the passing of this person, who I think was, for a good stretch, perhaps the most important civil rights leader in America for years, but what those words make me think of is when I've interviewed hundreds and hundreds of people who do that kind of work in less glorified ways, who work in communities, do grassroots work. It sounds like the thing that they, in some ways, internalize and live out, which is that there's not a lot of wins when you work deep in the trenches of inequality and often indignity.

You have to just keep at it. You recalibrate what serves as a win, a victory. It's not something that we, in the mainstream media, tend to often see as wins and the zeros and ones, a score sheet of political power. It's something else. I think that's what he's saying is you just have to keep on moving, keep at it. "Swimming sometime under the water," I think that's what a lot of people do. That's how they internalize what is of consequence.

Janae Pierre: Jesse Jackson ran for president of the United States twice. He was unsuccessful in both those bids. He ran once in 1984, and then again in 1988. I want to talk about that '88 run because some political experts that you talked with said Jackson's second run paved the way for the election of New York City's first Black mayor. I'm talking about David Dinkins. Could you talk more about that?

Arun Venugopal: Yes, I think we have to remind ourselves as New Yorkers, and New York is often not as ahead of the pack as we want to convince ourselves that it is. Often, it is leading. I grew up in Houston, where we had a female mayor, where we had a woman mayor in Kathy Whitmire in the early '80s. There were cities around the country, big cities like LA and Chicago, that were electing Black mayors in the '80s.

There was this slow rise, but New York City was not part of that until Jesse Jackson's second campaign. His campaigns really mobilized voters who had not been mobilized prior to that. That was part of the strength and power of these campaigns of Jesse Jackson's in New York City. He, in 1988, lost the state of New York, but he really turned out voters, communities of color, other voters in New York City.

That really alerted people to the fact that maybe there's something going on here. The co-chair of his New York State campaign was David Dinkins, who was, at the time, the borough president of Manhattan. Using the energy and force and the intelligence gleaned from that campaign, he launched his own campaign for mayor, and he won. He did that despite all the naysayers at the time. He did it with help from Jesse Jackson.

Janae Pierre: In your article on our news site, Gothamist, you remind us that Jesse Jackson had this long and storied history in New York City. His Rainbow/PUSH coalition had an office on Wall Street in a building that was actually owned by Donald Trump. He was also arrested here quite a few times during various demonstrations, but something that Jesse Jackson did well was take big moral stand without losing public support. Where do you see that legacy in New York politics today?

Arun Venugopal: Yes, he said something that, in some ways, I think defined him politically, certainly, in New York City for decades. He was very active in pushing to end apartheid rule in South Africa. He was very vocal in support of the Palestinian cause. Some of those things were seen as setting the stage for future leaders, people who brought some of these issues more and more into the mainstream.

One of the people I spoke to, Jeanne Theoharis, a distinguished professor of political science at Brooklyn College, she told me, "Jesse Jackson was a Bernie Sanders of his time." She also said, "One of the shoulders that Zohran Mamdani stands on is that of Jesse Jackson." In some ways, when we think about how outside of the mainstream, if you will, Zohran Mamdani's championing of pro-Palestinian rights were not too long ago.

He didn't really back away from them, and yet he won. That was seen as an extraordinary thing, given the politics of New York City historically. In many ways, all of that, this built upon building blocks over the decades for someone like Jesse Jackson, then Bernie Sanders, and then today, Zohran Mamdani, who, in many ways, is internationally renowned for some of these stances.

Janae Pierre: Yes, for sure. That's WNYC's Arun Venugopal. Thanks a lot, Arun.

Arun Venugopal: Thanks, Janae.

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Janae Pierre: You've been listening to NYC NOW. I'm Janae Pierre. See you next time.

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